No. Buying Skill Injectors is PtW. Not having to fly a venture for 7 months in order to get a poorly fitted mining barge that will be easily vaporized by the guy with perfect Engineering, Navigation, and gunery skills is PtW.
How the hell would waiting be PtW? Are you okay?
A company that does not diversify and expand eventually goes under. These are business decisions, some are going to work out, a lot wonât. Such is the way of corporate manuevering. Itâs always about the money.
None of these expanded, they just all drained a lot of money for nothing. Go troll somewhere else.
Some are rushing to pilot a Marauderr just to be Gank by a Tech 1 Alpha ships in the end. If they understand what I mean. Thatâs not winning.
You said that! I was questioning it.
See:
Unlike other games where you spend time grinding to progress your skills, in EVE you spend time waiting to progress your skills.
Both are very similar, with the difference that EVE gives you the freedom to spend your waiting time playing the game however you like while other games require you to grind a specific activity to progress a related skill.
And you call EVEâs version of skill progression -which is waiting- to be pay to win.
Hence my question:
Waiting is pay-to-win?
I wouldnât say so.
Itâs called setting up your point. I never said that sitting and waiting was the PtW. I said that it was a big contributor to PtW because people donât want to sit and wait.
Skill injectors
Likewise people donât want to grind and instead buy max level characters in other games too, legally or otherwise.
I donât see how EVEâs progression system has much to do with the game supposedly being âpay to winâ, besides that any game with any progression will always cause some players to want to pay to skip to the end.
I donât have enough crayons to explain it to you.
In WoW, you can sit down and kill thousands of monsters and do hundreds of quests and reach max level in a month without spending ANY MONEY AT ALL.
In Eve, you can⌠sit⌠and wait⌠to gain 100m skill points in close to a year. There is no way to speed that up without spending money unless CCP decides to give you skill injectors.
If you donât see a difference in that, well⌠perhaps you just donât know much about playing computer games or MMOs. Sorry bud.
Now youâre being dishonest.
In EVE you can grind for ISK to buy injectors on the market to get skills faster without paying just as well as you can do in WoW.
Can you speed it up with money? Sure, just lke you can buy a character level boost in WoW, as far as I know.
EVE does not have a pay wall. Either you subscribe (pay), subscribe through hard work (earn) or subscribe for free (do nothing). You can also just logoff for extended periods of time. The only thing you canât do is pause a subscription.
So youâre saying that a new player can grind ISK for skill injectors from day one? With no fitting skills or mining skills or ship skills? Just hop into a venture with a civilian mining laser or a civilian gun and just rake in 900,000,000 ISK for skill injectors?
Yes they can!
At a lower rate than an advanced character, sure, but you can earn ISK right from the start. This is not unlike other games where you get experience faster at higher levels.
Also even though injectors are relatively expensive at the start they are also much more effective at the start.
Probably not from day 1. And as an Alpha, youâre certainly at a disadvantage from an ISK earning standpoint. Iâm referring to ârealisticâ expectations here in terms of time put in to earn ISK.
I suppose he can head into null sec and start mining the rare ores there with his civilian fit ventureâŚ
F2P just what google says. You can spend money for upgrades that offer competitive edge.
Not exactly. EVE used to be subscription only - now thereâs a F2P option. F2P = EVE âliteâ. Itâs not P2W. And the âcompetitive edgeâ you refer to can earned free. Itâs not the same.
It says you can but it doesnât mean you should. You have the choice to grind it in-game.
You have the choice to try grind for 20 hours, to earn something. While the P2Wers log in and blow you up with with P2Wed ships every 10 minutes.
