And I’ve pointed out that if you get killed every time while waiting in line to ride the teacups, then your Disneyland experience does not include riding the teacups. Don’t give us some long-winded enumeration of all the clever ways a player with lots of skillpoints and/or ISK and/or experience and/or “friends” can get to ride the teacups if they take certain precautions. Tell us how little Timmy and little Joan who’ve never been to Disneyland before can reasonably be expected to ride them when Mickey, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy club them over the head every time they try.
Don’t tell me what Dinsdale’s opinion is. Quote where he said it. And, while I’m at it:
I am taking my own position. If you want to have an exchange with Dinsdale Pirannah (sp?), by all means. If you want to have an exchange with me, it might help to look at what I’m actually saying rather than deflecting and gaslighting.
So you only did it once?
Burner missions are an indication of what’s truly ailing the game. We can’t warp our faction fitted Marauder in to kill 1 Burner frigate because it wouldn’t be fair, but we can warp a 10 man gang of Tech II cruisers in to kill some noob in a Condor. Why does the Burner get to play a “fair” game but the noob in the Condor doesn’t?
Killing someone’s ship in high sec requires that you play within certain, narrower parameters than unsecure space. That people still die in high sec indicates that they are in space, playing the game, taking risks, etc. High sec is working. Can the same be said for other areas of space?
Is that who should be playing out there? Shouldn’t the brave newbies who jump into null in their first, trash fitted battleship be the ones who end up out there? Why are there a bunch of “krabs” out there who don’t seem to want to do anything other than instantiate ISK, ore, and other resources? Is that working as intended?
Great, but you’re just one player, and obviously a very special player at that.
He’s correct actually, they do, and there are records of CCP employees directly stating that. It would be a hell of a hunt to find all those video clips sadly, as many are old and from fanfest discussions as well as the old forums. (They don’t publicly say that stuff anymore as they are more cash-gain oriented as a company these days, and that alienates customers.)
OT: The house prequels were in my opinion almost better that the Dune original. They added alot of depth the characters in Dune. The books after Dune are not that good in my opinion.
Back to OP: Why does highsec have to be so bad? Better pve and player interaction get more peeps to gank and more bodies to float the eve boat. And The walking in station stuff would have been a buff not to just highsec but eve as a whole… perhaps (I am no expert on such things…just voicing my opinion)
Which is already a massive exaggeration, that you can’t realistically hang an argument on. ie this is not factual statement that I agree with. Any conclusions starting from that point are broken.
Nor is it necessary for a new player that hasn’t finished with the existing highsec content to move out if they are not bored with the content or need more resources. It is however not necessary imo for CCP for those that are bored with the existing content to come up with a forever loop of new content, instead of reasonably expecting them to try new content elsewhere on the map that already exists.
There is sufficient content to fund skillpoints, resource gathering and experience with game mechanics in highsec. As is. Not only that, there is sufficient opportunity to find groups like us, or groups like brave, karma fleet, pandemic horde, etc, and all of them will assist players with moving to their home locations. ie just because it might require skill points and/or scouting/experience, doesn’t mean those resources aren’t easily found and extremely abundant in game (and in our case, not even requiring joining of a corporation). Not only that, tutorial or totally unskilled players can be bridged directly from highsec into tether in nullsec.
If you wish to point out where you diverge from Dinsdale, then knock yourself out.
Not going to be deflected answering a question that is answered in the original quote and has cut by you.
Last time I tried to kill a condor in a small complex, my brutix wouldn’t pass through the gate.
Also I don’t remember the burner gates preventing 10 frigates jumping through it.
I’m an advocate of visiting more space and seeing for yourself, and maybe running some of the content whilst you are there.
Asking a bunch of rhetorical questions isn’t making a point, but just for the record, there would be no krabs if it was impossible for pve players to get from highsec to nullsec.
High sec is at best a necessary evil. A starting point for new players, a stable zone for commerce that the rest of the game needs to function, a protected place for casual types who want to play eve but have limited gaming time and of course a play ground for people (gamer types) who like to screw with others who are likely to be oversensative to loss.
Of course that’s hard to hear if you are someone who likes playing in high sec. But its the truth. The harder truth is that null sec gets the attention it does because its literally the engine driving eve. Right now the internet is buzzing about a potential capital fight. When was the last time anything anyone did in high sec make real life news?
That’s not ccp fault. Its yours. If half of you spent as much time in game doing noteworthy things in high sec that might resonate outside the game as you do on this forum complaining about the lack of attention from ccp, ccp would be paying attention to you.
Yes. As opposed to the absolute ZERO references to the high sec portion of eve anywhere but here, that qualifies as “BUZZING” lol.
You are the prime example. You’ve written gigs of post about how bad ccp is. But no csm campaign (a win would let you go to iceland and talk face to face with the people you claim are messing it all up). No participation I can see beyond forum rants , not even an effort to organize likeminded high sec players to do in game stuff that would catch peoples attention.
He’ll, I’ve probably spoken up for pve and high sec directly to ccp than you have in all these years, and I don’t even like high sec…
It seems like to me you just like being angry and use forums to vent. Venting never accomplishes anything.
what a ■■■■■■■■. Sandbox means we all should get the same level of attention, not the few “choosen” ones. CCP never understood that. If you think the nullsec buzz is great for EvE think how much better would be a proper hisec expansion and the buzz created by it.
Edit: how can hiseccers can do noteworty things when game is designed around herding ppl into nullsec because nullsec get all the fun toys?
Nonsense. Ccp is a company. They exist to make money. Null brings attention. Every company does the same thing.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Rather than complain, make stuff happen and watch ccp change its tune. Because obviously, just complaining on a forum doesn’t work.
The last part of your post is defeatist thinking. Have you tried? Have you started a high sec alliance with the goal of engaging others? Do you motivate people to vote for csm and have their voices heard like we do?
Do something, even if it fails it will draw attention that might get you what you want. What you are doing now DOES NOT WORK.
CCP wants to make money? For real? They not touch the very part of the most populated part of their game and this is players fault because they not making enough buzz? You mad? It’s all upside down. People keep constatly telling CCP to do something about hisec state, there no need to be in the CSM for that. Citadels transition will end soon, we will finally see how serious CCP is about other types of space in their own game. Lot’s of things were neglected in the past for the sake of nullsec players which are small part of whole players base, and no matter what CCP trying to do it doesn’t grow.
OK, if you think Eve reddit, which is controlled by upvoting/downvoting, is a valid form of tracking “Internet Buzz”, you just demonstrate your fealty to the cartels, once again.
As for me trying for the CSM, not a chance. As many many have stated, the highsec player base is far far too fragmented to actually build an anti-null sec campaign around. Further, most high sec players don’t even bother with voting in a rigged system. They vote with their pocketbook, and quit the game, as opposed to be good F1 monkeys and vote as per their leaders’ demands.
Also, assuming that even if I believed that I had a good chunk of high sec interested in voting for me, I would not run, for the following reasons:
My real name becomes public, and now I am prey for the RMT cartel doxx’ers and harassers.
I would never sign an NDA censoring me from what I learn on the CSM.
I would be booted from the CSM so fast for being “disruptive”, whether it is true or not. Speaking truth to power only works if you have your own power base behind you, and I would not on the CSM, since both CCP employees and the RMT cartel leaders hate me.
CCP would rig the results of the voting anyway to ensure I would not be successful. And yeah, that system can be rigged. Any system can be rigged.
So yeah, I continue using the Eve forums, which is the best option available to me.
These excuses are why you will spend the rest of your lives frustrated while being forced to watch folks like me enjoy the fruits of our actions (and our ability to get what we want through organizing).
I like highsec, I make most of my isk there in market trading. I see lots of people up there, it’s no desert. A large variety of different names buys and sells stuff there, I see it in my transaction history. Space is still plentiful with miners and mission runners.
But I have to agree on the subject of reddit “buzz,” none of my boring running around in hauling ships, making or losing “who cares, its not trillions” of isk, or other player’s mission running, is going to get upvoted on reddit.
EVEN IF all of EVE PvE was massively overhauled, which I hope it is someday soon, how long would the buzz and returning (or new!) subs to try out the new content last? I enjoy the occasional puzzle and don’t always rush for a guide to new content, but players caring only about isk/hr will quickly turn CCP’s months of work into a series of bullet point steps to maximize isk/hr.
Trade would be much more difficult without highsec. Highsec provides the neutral ground where null entities can trade without a direct conflict of interest. Freeports in eve often get shut down or attacked. Imagine having to travel to Delve to get an item. Market hubs are in highsec and not low and null for a reason. Perhaps it would make the game more interesting but it may just make power blocks stronger and force more balls of blue…
Space lives? You seem to have lost your perspective.
I think what CCP should really start to consider is that they are the sucker at this table. Maybe the problem isn’t that we don’t know who our real enemy is. Maybe the problem is that they don’t know who their real enemy is.
So which is the fruit of your labors, the big blue donut? Or fights where you cant really move or even tell where your participation matters? Not that it did matter because you were too busy worrying about the size of your friends rather than the quality of them.
Personally I cant find a reason to this day to go to Null, it sure isn’t money, there is piles in High Sec, it sure isn’t fights because Null doesn’t fight unless they have 50 other people with them. It sure cant be the people since they will just about take anyone now a days.
I honestly cant figure out why people play Null, except maybe to act like they are accomplished whilst hiding behind a MASSIVE group of people. Perhaps it makes you feel important to be a cog in a blue donut, but it sure isn’t a selling point in a game that is supposed to be about conflict.
Its amusing everything CCP sells about Null is bull, the conflict the fights the money, you could stay in High and be as rich as ■■■■. I lol at people needing Null to make isk, its just like saying you need an army at your back to step out the door.
it’s about how long ppl will stay in-game to be recruited into nullsec tidi wars. CCP still don’t understand that. They assumed solo play is inferior to group one. They came to the conclusion that more players stays in game when not leveling raven and soloing mission. Instead they force group play (RW for example) it’s false aproach and don’t work. CCP asking wrong questions. Why people want to stay in hisec?
Well, as a former highsec-only customer of CCP, I did find their customer oriented design policy extremely lacking. At some point, they mixed up “what customers do we want to get” with “what do our customers want to get”. It is evident as this point that maybe CCP is getting the customers they wanted, but those are too little to keep the company afloat without milking them, and anyway it isn’t clear whether CCP’s customers are getting what they want.
what a ■■■■■■■■. Sandbox means we all should get the same level of attention, not the few “choosen” ones. CCP never understood that. If you think the nullsec buzz is great for EvE think how much better would be a proper hisec expansion and the buzz created by it.