I’d like to be the judge of that myself instead of taking it from a third party, though.
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I can do and have done all those things you listed.
But you left out the most important thing…
And that’s time. It takes time to do all the things you listed.
Most players like familiarity and prefer to engage in their favorite activity. Due to real life constraints, most don’t have the time to invest in doing something they don’t like just so they can then do what they really like, especially when most of the career options in Eve requires a lot of time spent to engage in them.
Anyway, I know there’s some players who do it all but that’s definitely not the majority.
I feel better now that I have your permission 
Can you list some of those repercussions? 
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Sigh. Do you not see a contradiction with these statements? You accuse the community of being toxic in one breath, and then assert that they are pathetic losers in the next.
Discussions do indeed often get heated, but I’m starting to think that the problem is not so much that the community is toxic, but that people use it as a shield when others challenge their cries for CCP to unbalance the game in favor of themselves.
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It’s only toxic when others do it.
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Sol wanted me to say hi for him.
He also wanted me to tell you that he wants to have your babies.
I might have made up one of those things.
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Open to interpretation of course.
And they do don’t they? Just like vice versa we industriaists indulge in pvp. There’s not much reason for a pvp player to not indulge in PI. And clearly there are plenty that do pve/industry on at least an alt.
I’m not sure what you are objecting to.
Now whos against new players fighting against older players?
Clearly the ‘hi’.
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Hey! I’m not locked up in my mom’s basement! She’s not among the living any more, I have my own house and I HATE energy drinks!
Those who dab in stereotypes are psychologically lazy and genuinely jealous of what others have.
Oh, and I have a Jeep Wrangler, too 
A nice blue one.
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I feel ya, I too was Flash Bombed and looted on my alt hauler. Immediately after I received an email with an invite to join the same corp to learn PVP. Seen this happen in many other MMORPG games, Warcraft, Elite Dangerous, Everquest, etc etc etc.
I attribute it to the Call of Duty / Fortnite gamers who only game for the PVP “Who’s the better Ganker” thrill. I had a long email exchange with the player who gaked me. As a rather new player to EO, I asked him what he enjoyed about camping at a gate and waiting for someone to come to blow them up with his ship. He replied that “this is what Eve Online is about, and if I didn’t like it, I shold find another game or get better at PVP”
So, I could have my buddy who’s been playing this since it was released go hunt him down, or I can just go back to my Stratios and run the missions and scenarios waiting for my Corp to go to war…
Eitherway…When Baldur’s Gate 3 releases more content or the full version, I will jump to playing that after queueing up a crap ton of skills.
Meh!
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But time is not equal to effort. For example it might take a lot of time to mine ore, but it does not take a lot of effort. And this is exactly why this “professions” can be mostly done AFK by alts, as they just don’t need a lot of attention. I could easily run a couple miners in the background and just check on them every couple of minutes between ganks. Same goes for PI.
And that is in fact what a lot of players do. You would not believe the amount of “miners” that contact me after a gank and tell me that I just made a big mistake, because I killed the alt of an incredibly important higherup at goons, and they will now all come after me 
The pure “industrial” player certainly exists. But it’s a complete myth that they are required.
Well, First off, it’s toxic when you start off calling people, names, plain and simple
Secondly, I don’t think the OP or myself think CCP should nerf ganking. But…they could make it a little more known to new players when they click the “Download” button. Some new players are drawn to the PVP features, some are not.
Let me ask you this Shipwreck Jones, if CCP enabled a feature where a player could enable a non-pvp box and make it to where you could not suicide bomb or attack them. How would you and your Ganking buddies feel about that?
Again, I started to play Eve back in 2014, but was enticed by Elite Dangerous and the fact that in ED you piloted your ships. ED has Ganking but also has the the option for a player to enter Solo Mode and avoid the ganking all together.
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First off, I wasn’t calling them names, I was describing their lack of knowledge. This is known as ignorance. Of course, it is frequently used as a way to put people down, but that’s not how it was used here. Context matters.
I do, however, think you have a point with your second argument. They do not always clearly convey the nature of the game in their advertisements. I do not know if this is on accident, or by design. I dunno, I was attracted to this game because I heard it was a brutal, pvp-centric game with a harsh death mechanic. So, it’s weird to me when so many players show up seeming to want something else.
I would riot. But I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with this. If you want an experience that other games give you, you should go play those games, instead of trying to corrupt the experience that Eve is good at delivering. I know Eve has a small community, so I hate to see players leave. But it will cease to be the game that I love if it turns into a casual, PvE-focused snooze fest.
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I’m not a ‘ganking buddy’ but it would cause problems because it would mean risk free wealth generation. Eve is just coming out of 2 years of scarcity because risk/reward was too slanted toward reward.
If players were able to opt out of pvp, they’d also have to be banned from accessing the market and trading with other players. Basically the sisi server, or they can play eve echoes.
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Enjoy making your own ships and mining while being blown to hell every few hours.
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I think you’re getting off track here, most likely in an attempt to prove me wrong.
Anyway, the original discussion wasn’t about running alts on other accounts in order to do it all, It was about a single character having all the skills to do everything and then consequently doing it all.
And that is where time factors in, most people don’t have a lot of time to play this game… and when they do play, they want to do what they enjoy, not do other things to enable them to do what they really want.
I may have just been a bystander but I thought the original argument was that the big alliances did multiple things (industry, mining, pvp), not that the original argument was that they did everything, equally.
You both agree that there are alliances that do lots of things. And that players do not have the time to do everything, yet do have time to do both PvP and PvE, right?
There are players that do lots of different things and no players that do one specific part of the game are irreplacable as many other players will pick up whatever is needed to keep the game running.
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lol, I knew you were going to jump in when I saw you typing. Obviously the back up signal is working overtime.
And to set the record straight, the original statement was PvP members of big null sec alliances do most things themselves and don’t need specialized Industrial players in the game.
I countered with most players don’t have a lot of time to play and would rather do what they like instead of doing something else in order to do what they really want to do. Which means the specialized industrial players are in fact needed.
Anyway, I’m done, not going to constantly keep going over this with a new person every few minutes.
Why do you always do this to me?
I always find your posts when I’m either drinking coffee (not fair in this case as I almost always am drinking coffee) or when I have a mouth full of food.
Suddenly I’m laughing too hard and either choking or having stuff pop out my nose. This time it was an amazing cookie and coffee so you sort of got me twice.
In my experience in a big null sec alliance, we have both PvP and industry players. The industry players do some PvP too (to defend our space) and the PvP players do some industry as well (to make ISK to afford new ships for PvP) so yea, people aren’t just doing only one or the other.
Personally I make my ISK with PI and exploration and spend it in PvP, mainly covops stuff lately. I wouldn’t call myself as strictly PvP or a strictly industry player and I doubt there are many players who do exclusively one or the other in my alliance.
Interesting to see that you think my response to your post is related to the person you were talking to, rather than that my response is related to the things you were typing.
Just to clarify: I respond to your posts, not to ‘back up whoever you’re talking to’.
If you’re not interested in responses, I wonder why you’re posting on a public forum.
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