No need to hide it Gerard. I clearly bat-phoned you because of the situation in the forum posts. His paranoia is entirely justified, it’s really all about him.
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Funny how everybody keeps trying to say most PvP players do it all. They may have the skills to do it all but that doesn’t mean they have the time to do it all.
Yeah, ok…
Whenever a convo is done with certain others, shortly afterwards all their known associates soon jump into the convo and turn it into a gangbang affair. As for known associates, the ‘Most Liked’ list on a characters profile shows who that is.
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No one is saying ‘PvP players do it all’. People just say that PvP players do more than only PvP.
I have yet to find anyone who does it all. There are just too many things in EVE to have the time to be able to do both industry, hauling, market, exploration, mining, small scale pvp, large fleet battles, etc.
PvP players generally do non-PvP activities to fund their PvP if they don’t use plex to directly pay for it. That’s what people are saying when they say that PvP players do other things as well.
You’re seriously thinking I’m a known associate of @Karak_Terrel and got pinged by him to join this convo?
If you knew me better you’d know I respond to pretty much any topic and you’d know that I like any post that either corresponds to my views of EVE or contains humour. And I do that indiscriminately of the person who posted it. If that means I’m often liking posts that contradict yours, that may say as much about you as it says about me.
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Back up and re-read the thread.
The discussion started when an Industrialist player said PvP needed them in the game, another person said they don’t because PvP players do it themselves. I countered with most may have the skills but don’t have the time, thus the specialized Industrial players are actually needed.
Now I already said I’m not going to continue going over this again with a new person every few minutes, especially when every single time in every single thread it’s the same group of people, which was revealed in the past to belong to the same Discord channel.
Personally I don’t believe what you say, you can claim whatever you want. Posting history tells the true story.
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Well that other person was right: the game doesn’t require ‘pure industrialist players’. Anyone can do industry, just like anyone can do pvp. People may not have the time to do everything, but if a pvp player cannot buy ships from the market it will definitely be worth it to start producing your own ships, which makes ‘specialized industrial players’ redundant.
Specialised players who only do a specific part of the game aren’t needed. People may not have time to do everything, but if people all cover a few (not all!) roles in a larger setting (which is what happens in corporations, alliances and even groups of individual solo players), it won’t ever be necessary to have players who do just one particular thing in EVE.
Then don’t believe it. Fun fact: did you know that the ‘Most liked by’ statistics in my profile tell that you are one of my known associates?
No they aren’t right, specifically for the fact that it takes much longer for ships and modules to be built than it takes for them to be destroyed. So actually the game needs more Industry happening to keep the PvP happening.
Specialized players are definitely needed because that’s what keeps the stockpile up. And amount of time playing the game is a big factor. I don’t care what scenario you portray, your alliance or corp whatever isn’t going to stop in the middle of a big war to do Industry and replace ships / modules so having a specialized industrial branch is needed.
Now I’m done with this convo, stop bugging me about it.
Sure, people who do industry are needed.
But we don’t require people who do industry and only industry to have a steady supply of ships. Their roles can easily be filled by people who do both industry and pvp. I mean, people who only do industry are welcome, but aren’t necessary.
Yeah, ok, whatever you say…
He is correct…
If you are not willing to take steps to mitigate risk and/or defend your stuff…you do not deserve it.
This means only that you must have the willingness to learn, and get back on the horse every time it bucks you off.
Serious Industry: (not casual, not spare time, not do it when need to)
Requires a lot of experience.
Combat PvP: Wardec or Ganking: resource control, recruitment methods, anit-bot blasting, weeding out the AFK players.
Mining: direct resource collection, PvP get it before others do, use it or lose it.
Industry: Manufacturing, Researching, Copying, Invention (making 10k cats in a week is actually easy to do)
Marketeering: Buy/Sell on the market, Watching Trends(market and killboard losses). Adapting/Responding appropriately.
Political Analyst: Paying attention/Watching what is going in all areas of space, Wars, other gankers, “Merc” groups, etc etc…might mean paying attention to discords/podcasts/twitch show/Reddit/and thei forum.
Mission/Anom Running(explo to): Isk generation, and Resource Collection.
FC(Fleet Command): Doctrine Creation, Herding Cats, Fit Experimentation, getting your can kicked all over the place in the early days, Knowing How as opposed to Knowing when to counter something, Leading a fleet mining/combat/ganking…that is the easy part.
Diplomacy/Networking: a player skill, being able to what you need (whatever it is) without having to fire a shot and still profit.
Management(CEO, Alliance, Coaltion leaders): The skill of herding cats, and knowing WTF you are talking about to get a vision/goal completed after a journey in a singular direction.
^^ all of that, some specialize in one or two things…quite a few EVE Online players actually live and breathe that twisted Pretzel.
But none of it conforms to the lazy, or Farmville AFK type player…This is a dystopian universe, its very nature is Lead, Follow, or die.
The Lazy or Farmvillers, they want to put a quarter in the video game, and not be a team player or be bothered by anyone… ‘pure industrialist’ does not really exist… or rather if they do…they are playing solo or as a 2nd Class citizen for a paycheck from some group or other player.
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It is well known that certain gank aligned posters and gankers on these forums are on the same Discord and co-ordinate their posts, perhaps you have not been invited.
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Just because I’m in favour of risk in EVE doesn’t mean I’m a ganker or gank aligned poster. I barely ever spend time in high sec and if I do it’s as potential gank target.
I am advising you of what he referred to, and that it exists, maybe after this little exchange you might get an invite, who knows. I have no idea whether you are on that DIscord or not, but my bet is that you are not.
You’re correct, I’m not on the gank discord and if I post in threads it’s not because I got pinged to do so.
I am a pure industrialist, lazy, mostly AFK, Farmviller.
This is my ship hangar:
Can you show me what I’m doing wrong?
Mr Epeen 
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Impressive, I am about there, only thing I am missing is the JF. I have had two, but sold them when the need was not there.
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Yeah that is impressive…
And the only active ship in that collection is a Gallente Shuttle.
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Yeah. I sold a bunch of freighters and jump freighters. Sitting on the last few to see if the price keeps climbing. The Rhea is over 15B last I checked, but I think it will get higher yet.
The real PITA is the research on the circled items below that are required now. It’ll still be months before those are finished and then I can get back to building JFs and freighters again.
Mr Epeen
I have Baby Bug fitted up as well. Just not active at the time of the screenie.
Mr Epeen
Fact of the matter, the retention is poor because there’s much less to do in this game than there used to be. CCP has been removing content from the game for about as long as they added it at this point. The softening of the game definitely contributes as well. This is not a casual game, everyone wants it to be, but those players aren’t suited for this game and do not stick around for long (the few vets remaining will make sure of that until the day this game finally does die).
EvE USED to be a sandbox and there used to be a plethora of activities to engage in. So many in fact, that you could pretty much make your own profession. Now, all of that has been patched out in favor of mostly afk farming. Since those farmers typically do not stick around for long and play quite casually it’s caused a decline in the amount of active players online. Furthermore, the most dedicated playerbase was historically PvP oriented. With much less PvP, most of the dedicated playerbase is gone.
Lastly, and probably the biggest reason this game is failing: CCP is just like every other corporation now-days. Corrupt, exploitative, and predatory.
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