No one is talking about coke. We are talking about a 4b ISK ship (fit and hull) vs a gang of 10m ISK catalysts (and one neutral bumper exploiter). It would not take 400 of those cats to take down the 4b ship so the loss is way higher for the defender. Who would ever think that coke would factor into that as a valid example?
Erā¦letās pull back the curtain and see the scary Dying Eve boogie man
3 Likes
Thatās odd. I am. I just did. And if you donāt understand comparative examples in economics then feel free to go take some course 101 in the subject rather than embarrass yourself.
Your argument is on par with official figures using the metaphor of the āprice of breadāā¦and some guy responding ā I donāt buy breadā¦so inflation doesnāt affect meā.
3 Likes
Sorry but youāre just being a deluded self-entitled whiney āgive me easy kills in safe space!ā ranter here.
EVEās economy is different than most MMOs because players have to build everything. But full PvE MMORPGs have their own economies, their own markets, their own exchanges, and those work just fine without PvP drivers.
And high-sec PvP is like 10% or less of the destruction in EVE, so trying to paint it as āyour PvE would be worthless without itā is ridiculous. And you apparently missed the whole CSM 13 where wardecs were proven by CCP to be a massive detriment to player retention. As opposed to being the steady stream of recruits youāre pretending high sec PvP to be.
Actually PvE players drive and supply the entire economy and function of all aspects of EVE, not just the PvP. And the real āleechesā here are the high sec PvPers who donāt have the balls to venture into spaces where they might themselves be at risk, ,and instead hang around driving people out of the game in the starter area.
Seriously, high sec 'PvPāers are the pathetic weasels who hang out in the newbie areas hiding in bushes to gank easy kills because it makes them feel like real bad dudes. Looking for the safest loot they can get without being productive themselves. Thatās the definition of leech, you leech.
All kinds of kills and destruction and looting are still happening in high sec. Stop crying for CCP to make it easy for you and git gud.
4 Likes
No wonder your posts are so long and full of waffle. They contain absolutely endless examples of you asserting stuff as if it were a given. I see what you did thereā¦you hide all manner of unproven statements in amongst the waffleā¦and hope that nobody will question ā Is this actually true ?ā ā¦
- āThis was obvious from the day scarcity was announcedāā¦
- āItās not like huge battles result in any massive gains.āā¦
- āEVE is far more about economics than it is about PvP battles.ā
- āEVE actually has very few drivers for conflictā
- 'People only PvP when they both profit from it ā
- āEVE PvP causes losses, people avoid loss unless their chance of gain outweighs it.ā
- 'In general, PvP-fit ships are not in themselves a target of value ā
- āBut those players are vastly in the minority.ā
- ātheyāre directly harmful to the game overallā
Every single one of these things is your personal opinion being stated as if it were something Moses brought down from the mountain. You create large waffly posts in the hope that nobody will notice that.
2 Likes
Smart man. The carebear cancer is all that will be left playing on a mostly dead server.
2 Likes
No one is talking about breadā¦ no one but you. Do you need help shopping? Need me to send you coke and bread?
1 Like
When CCP removes all of the things that give gankers the advantage, youāll get more fighting. Ganking is done by carebears because of all the advantages they have. They fly trash ships and take down expensive targets. They use a neutral bumping ship after getting neutral Logi ships removed.
Gankers are the carebears.
2 Likes
Did someone tear the page with the word āanalogyā out of your dictionary ?
1 Like
No, but they took ācomprehensionā out of yours.
The only reason the carebears have so much to say about ganking is because the only free form of PvP left in highsec that they have not already destroyed. Its all they have left. PvP and fair competition along with the ability to access it is what will fix highsec. Listening to the players with the most experience would be a nice start. Experienced leaders in their fields should be the only voice that matters.
2 Likes
How is that free form PvP? Thereās nothing free form about it. They need to bring back neutral Logi ships.
How many years of experience do you have being a leader in highsec? This forum is mostly trash due the same small group of fools who have nothing better to do than argue foolish points of view.
Show me on the doll where the nasty ganker hurt you. Oh, wait, they didnāt.
I mean, youāre the same guy who BRAGS that their mining ship has 250K EHP and you are all but ungankable. Yet somehow itās everyone else who is the carebearā¦lol.
3,050. Doesnāt matter. If you really think it takes years to learn about high sec PvP, then you may need some help. Youāre using a tired old argument used by anyone who is afraid of a discussion. āIf you haveāt played for 10 years then you donāt know anything about this game!ā Trust me- this game does NOT take 10 years to learn! Iāve played more complex games than this. Iāve learned more complex systems than this game. Please find a new argument or actually engage in the discussion.
1 Like
Gankers are the carebears? See what I mean? Fools say foolish things.
Glen, you dont comprehend what im even saying. You are delusional. I also didnt say the things you just said that I did plus I dont agree with it.
1 Like
Carebears by mechanics - highsec is bat country, man
1 Like
Look up there- scroll up a bit- thereās a whole section of this discussion about how gankers were so relieved when they removed the ability to have a logi ship join the battle while staying neutral and there arenāt any of them wanting to discuss the neutral bumping ship. Just personal attacks against anyone who brings it up. Trolls and carebears.
You have to excuse Glenduilā¦heās still at that bombastic newbie knee jerk level that covers up not having the faintest idea what heās talking about.
1 Like
LOL! 
: