Why does High-Sec Exist?

Its obvious to me, that based on EVE Online’s history, that EVE Online has fallen into the hands of a group of NON-creative individuals not just out-of-sync but completely oblivious to trends in fiction, gaming and elsewhere.

You speak of fiction, but have completely forgotten said fiction that constrains aspects of EVE’s setting.

High-sec is the space that belongs to sovereign states such as the Caldari State or the Amarr Empire. Do you think capsuleers have the capacity to take it over? That’s a fantastic question, but they cannot because CONCORD have deliberately prevented it through technical manipulation and regulation. The are in-game, fictional and contextual reasons that make sense. It is also a fail-safe that prevents players from destroying NPC and fictional beings that would make EVE’s only narrative player based. Although playerbased narrative is an essential, if not primary, aspect, it shouldn’t be the only one. This would risk breaking immersion and losing some of the sci-fi background.

Your mistake was thinking that EVE is a PVP only game. Some players enjoy living within the fictional setting of their choice. Lawless space? A citizen of the Federation? A capsuleer run empire? The choice is yours. That’s the very essence of the sandbox and part of what makes the simulation so interesting.

If you want the free and open realm of space, with unlimited PVP, it’s called null-sec. People have the potential to do exactly what the original introduction describes.

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Actually Jita became a trade hub after special rules stopped being in effect.

Which system? Yulai or Jita?

Yes…which means Jita becoming a trade hub was a product of emergence not design.

Yes, yes, yes. CCP “designed” Jita, but they did so without the intention of Jita becoming a trade hub. This is why they removed belts, agents, etc. My guess is that once the super highways were taken out and Yulai collapsed as a trade hub and Jita emerged CCP was caught “flat footed”. They didn’t see it coming.

The point is no single person or even CCP, a group of people, planned on Jita becoming a trade hub…it just happened.

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HS is needed for trade hubs and new bro’s that being said…level 4 missions should move to LS. Incursions non longer a HS activity, no DED site larger than a 3/10, and far fewer Faction spawns. Way too much isk to be made in HS.

High sec exists, because without it, we wouldn’t have tried EVE. As it happens, the biggest fundamental mistake our corp made was listening to the ‘play eve right’ brigade, and moved into null sec. Became a 2nd job, and after getting attacked whilst we were all tucked up in bed, we decided to move back out. My JF got stranded, I logged out with it, and never re-launched the game.

Eve is a great game, so full of potential but because of the obsession with ship loss and unfair PvP vs PvE mechanics, High sec is literally the only place to play, which is the exact advice I always give to anyone suggesting they’re going to give EvE a try. Remove High Sec like the op suggests, and you’ll just be emptying the weed killer on your garden. Great if one likes mud however.

So, High Sec exists to give players with a DIFFERENT mind set somewhere to play. Not everyone subscribes to chest-thumping and indulgence in making someone elses day miserable.

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go play Tibia on a pvp server, We have had GMs intervene and summon hoards of demons because the oldest guilds on the servers will camp the spawn point in the main cities and kill you as you come in, or they will camp the depot and town entrances.

eve would become a thing of if your not in 1 of the few largest alliances in the game your dead the second you undock. RIP starters. lets finish killing eve.

Without hi sec I certainly would not play. Not even for free. I have enough strife in real life. I don’t need it in a game.

In other words you violated the first rule of EVE…and then quit. Okay.

Every time I see players posting such, opinions, about Eve being better off with no Hi Sec, or similar topics I feel the need to suggest some readings as basic business textbooks, or wildlife management as an analogy to the Eve ecosystem, then I get a vast overwhelming feeling of wasting my time, and decide against it.

I get a mental image of Wiley E Coyote detonating the dynamite on the wrong side of the ledge, or blowing up the supports of the bridge he is standing on.

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One might also ask, why does Null exist? Isn’t it just one big blue donut?

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One day high-sec will get organised and have the ability to be able to launch a counter offensive against the null alliances. They always say when the big boys in null want to punish high-sec dwellers with things like burn Jita, we all hide in empire stations and shudder at the power being projected. Times are changing along with attitudes war is coming.

This has been written many times before.

I doubt the null alliances, who enjoy pvp, are going to be too concerned about hollow threats from people that can’t beat them anyway.

I think hell is likely going to freeze over before enough large corporations in High Sec (many of which might be run by nullsec players) are going to rise up and fight Nullsec. But I mean I could get off my butt and try to claim some nullsec space I guess just like any high sec corp could. I bet that at least does happen from time to time.

I think any attempt to do this will be trolled to death by Null Sec groups. Hi Sec organizations will never have the Super fleets needed to even cause Null Sec groups to take it seriously and any attempt to go after Null Sec grief alts such as CODE. will cause them to simply alter their tactics, or in worse case, just troll local from stations.

Null Sec groups have all the advantages in any Pvp related actively in any space except maybe WH space, since they can choose to fight you or not in Hi Sec and their Null Sec isk making activates are fairly immune to any threat from a Hi Sec organization.

A raiding strategy may annoy them, but there is no feasible case where a persistent strategy would work without other Null Sec groups who have Supers help out in some fashion. And if they did, the targeted group would just move their assets somewhere else until the action burned itself out due to blue-ball tactics.

A similar case of this happened not too long ago to a group we all know and love.

Nope. HS is full of players that primarily rarely interact with others. They won’t organize in such a fashion as such players are not interested in working towards such a goal. There is not much of a payoff in it for them. Each player will have a tremendous incentive to free ride even if someone does try to organize them.

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CCP will shut down the servers before player mains start fighting their alts at that scale.

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You realize hisec is for training, market pvp, and wardecs dont you? There is plenty of content in hisec. You just have to look a bit harder for it.

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Correct!

I dont know about this part. If it came down fleet to fleet I believe HS could hold its own. At least for a while. It is our “house” after all. The hisec mercs would band together into a very large group. Null sec people would have no caps, no cynos, not everybody would understand the nuances of hisec fighting. Half of them would go criminal and get concorded when a hisec pilot locked them up out of habit. Ive been at a high/low sec region gate, locked up a few guys jumping in and two did just that.

To all people that only want pvp and think high sec is pointless. Fractured space is out and on steam it offer pvp. Sure it has pve a but that optional and boring but it has no mining it has no building ships. I mean it would be a prefect game to play I mean you don´t like high sec you don´t like when people do pve or mining or anything other than pvp so why play eve then when you have fractured space that is all about murder each others. It´s ■■■■■■■ simple.