Why ice prices have dropped so low?

[Daoden]

You cant sit hear and complain the price is to low and tell us that making ice mining the slightest bit more difficult shouldnt be done either to make said ice more valuble. As for increasing the amount of ice that is used you cant controll that and CCP shouldnt add something to use more ice just to make you and the other ice miners happy, otherwise they need to remove concord to make the PvPers happy.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Selene_Nadi

There are entire communities of players who solely mine ice for a living

Are you sure?

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Selene_Nadi

But then when common sense prevails you have to wonder why a company who wants to build subscriber numbers would remove a feature that is actively enjoyed by numerous players.

You don’t sacrifice the economy of a sandbox game for some persons single minded merry go round activity.

Building subscriber numbers is not a cover all for bad ideas.

[Haulie_Berry]

@Selene_Nadi

Perhaps. Won’t be good for the game though.

There are entire communities of players who solely mine ice for a living. The community ran by Mark O Helm of Gallente space for example. It also provides content in the form of the eternal war between ice miners and gankers, which is still going strong after all these years. Hi-sec ice mining is certainly a good content creator.

I don’t see losing this content being in any way good for the game or for player numbers.

You asked why the ice price is low.

It’s low because ice miners are oversupplying ice. The solution is to either increase demand, or curtail supply. Since there’s no reason for fuel consumption to increase (and, no, making sure you make as much money ice mining as you feel like you deserve is not a reason), that leaves curtailing supply as the only viable option.

Now, I don’t mine ice. I couldn’t possibly care less how low the price goes. Actually, lower is probably better for me, so if ice miners want to keep mining their simpleton asses off and oversupplying, godspeed.

[Alistair_Atreides]

This thread sounds like the complaints of a coal miner.

Solution. Don’t be an ice miner.

[Selene_Nadi]

@Ramona_McCandless

@Selene_Nadi

There are entire communities of players who solely mine ice for a living

Are you sure?

Yes, I named one. You cut that out of my quote.

[Maja_Chou]

Those BS Miners most likely abusing Alpha Accounts against Eula Rules. And the AFK Orca Mining is just cancer.

Easy Solution @Team Talos; no Mining Drones on Orca anymore, Mining Laser only on Ore Ship Hull.

quick and dirty but effektive against those afk/botter/alpha abuser.

and sure the ice anos should not be stationary in a system anymore

(i dont talk about the elephant in the room called rorqual)

[Wolfmoon]

Eve wants PvP.
That’s pretty much every answer as to why anything is jacked at any time in high sec.

[Lily_Inkura]

@Selene_Nadi

In the past year or so, ice prices have dropped by nearly 50%.

I’ve been experimenting with glare crust as one solution. It has proven surprisingly cost-effective in terms of increasing my isk per time spent ice mining, with one important caveat. (Actually two.)

Dual-boxing a pair of endurance gives me similar yield to an orca-boosted skiff. The loss of yield from not having the orca also mining is more than offset by higher value of this ice.

I was surprised at how easy it has been to operate in LS for extended periods, either by cloaking in place to avoid travellers or just docking. Dual boxing a porpoise/ endurance was much more fraught. Yield from the porpoise as standalone is hardly worth hassle, plus boosting makes it tricky to dock, although it can also cloak.

Bottom line, although this does not address price of ice itself, it does yield much more isk per time spent ice mining. Caveat is there is no public compression available in LS, so hauling it out is complete pain. With time spent possibly against the enterprise. Second caveat is if using the ice yourself, as I am for fuel blocks, then you are missing the isotopes for whatever racial flavor you are building, helium, hydrogen etc.

You also have the problem of what to do with surplus components, which is where the dropping market can still bite you. I haven’t seen fuel blocks drop that much in cost, but cheaper goods like command charges made from heavy water do seem increasingly difficult to shift regionally, even when matching Jita prices. And maybe if ice prices are dropping, more people are turning to processing and production to try and make up shortfall?

[Jake_Javelin]

I suspect when all Null NAV structures are pushed to 500km minimum distance from structure in December ice demand will drop even further when fewer of those structures operate.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Maja_Chou

Easy Solution @Team Talos; no Mining Drones on Orca anymore, Mining Laser only on Ore Ship Hull.

Non of the industrial command ships or capitals should be able to actually extract ore/ice/gas/etc in any way including drones/lasters/etc, their focus should be purely fleet support.

Otherwise they just feed the big solo ship cancer.

[Agondray]

it doesnt help you get to have a station to dock at with 0 use of fuel that no one wants to really waste the time in killing because it takes so long to kill 1

[Ramona_McCandless]

Then you clearly dont know what a living is.

[Abruzzi_Oskold]

@Beekeeper_Bob

It’s all been done…repeatedly…players are tired and bored, because the game still has the same issues it had 5 years ago.

Any meaningful change is often met with resistance from, someone, and CCP seems to chicken out at the critical moment.