I’ve been playing EVE for years and I’m tired of watching the economy tank. This isn’t just about “scarcity” or “prosperity”, it’s about the fact that CCP seems to be balancing the game for bots while the actual human players are the ones paying the price.
I play with a single account. I don’t have a farm of 50 Ishtars or a script running 24/7. When I go out to rat or mine, I’m actually at my keyboard, taking risks and putting in the time. But because CCP can’t (or won’t) deal with the massive botting problem, especially from certain massive coalitions that have turned the game into a job, they just nerf everything across the board.
It’s the “Single-Account Tax.”
Every time you lower the bounties or make ships harder to build to “control the ISK supply,” you aren’t stopping the botters. They just spin up 10 more accounts to make up the difference. A bot doesn’t get tired, but I do. My time is worth less every day because the economy is balanced around automated wealth that shouldn’t even exist.
It feels like CCP is just looking the other way because those bot accounts keep the “active user” numbers looking good on paper. But you’re burning out the real people. We are the ones who create the content, the wars, and the community.
Stop punishing us for your impericia in catching cheaters. Stop using global economic nerfs as a band-aid for your lack of manual moderation. If you want a healthy game, start protecting the people who actually play it, not the ones who just script it.
this game is old 20 years and more. lets take look at events. the gallente president election - now compare to capsuleer day event. difference? goals and rewards are different but anything else is copy paste. no innovations..
botting is one problem. true problem is total lack of transparency on customer support and evrything is biased,when real player get hit they are basically ghosted by customer support with no chance to appeal. only way to actually get things solved is reaching to social media and this is only when false-positive incidents are sorted out..
problem is not the isk,problem is how its easy to print it with vexors navy,ishtars,gilas… just take look at region of eve named “pochven” there are max 5-10 maybe 20 players who owns 100 accounts each. they caused price spike on materials to manufacture babaroga - a triglavian marauder.,eve online has very volatile market supply/demand and any hard manipulations can cause this chaos..
also botters are another issue, they make isk quick to sell it quicker. thats how RMT happens. and this is why team security must act fast. problem is that players have limited tools to determine who is who. you buy Anshar in jita market and next day you get blasted by team security because that Anshar was “illegal” despite its normal price like another Anshar table down. how can fairplay players determine what is what,who is who? its too easy to get in trouble for something you really didnt do…
They really have no choice. It’s not that CCP/FC balances the game for the benefit of the botters. They balance it because real players multibox. That’s how EVE players themselves have chosen to play this game. Not by having 1 account and training up 1 character to be efficient in everything, but rather by having multiple accounts specialized for different purposes. In order to avoid this sort of practice making any one actual player too powerful, they have to lower bounties, etc.
Botting is against EULA, and CCP has and does ban those accounts when they are discovered. If you suspect a botter, report them. There is an option for that in-game.
You’re missing the point. If multiboxing is a legitimate and encouraged playstyle, why balance the economy to the point where it becomes a chore for an actual human to sustain it? A global nerf hits a human multiboxer and a single-account player hard, but a botter just scales up with zero effort.
Regarding reporting: I’m a player, not a CCP employee. It’s ridiculous to expect us to do the monitoring for them while we’re already struggling with nerfed bounties and poor economic performance
No no no, CCP has definitely innovated the hell out of this event…
The amount of tasks to complete in each tier of each category has basically been tripled compared to the Gallente Election event… This event has been innovated into a major time sink grind fest…
I don’t know much of bots. They definitely do exists, but it is hard to prove it and most of them are hidden in sov null so I am not seeing it as much.
Players often confuses multiboxing with botting. That is easy to do for a player who has no experiences with the game and multiboxing himself.
There are two type of players who multibox the most. Miners and gankers.
Miners multibox because mining is an idle gameplay with almost no input needed. It is easy to multibox and it scales really well with (self)boosting, Players who multibox are somehow earning more ISK by mining than players who play single account. Even after paying for the neccessary PLEX to keep all accounts subbed.
Gankers multibox out of neccessity - too many nerfs that drove most players out of this content and too many buffs to targets’ EHP so we need more pilot than before. Multiboxing also allows ne player to gank much more often, which for unpredictable content that is not on deman as mining is crucial. And the last reason is splitting profits which needs to be done manually unlike missioning where the rewards are given instantly and split automatically.
Other type of content typically requires more input so they are harder to multibox and it is rare to see players multubox them, although exceptions do exists as some type of content are more multibox friendly than others. Ratting, scanning&hacking, pvp.
Anyway, CCP decided to support this. EVE is a multibox game now. If you are not multiboxing yourself you cannot compete. That is how it is. Why CCP did this is simple. Profit and player base dropping, multiboxing brings more profits and “fakely” increases player base. It is win win for them. Are they losing players long term as you claim? Possibly, but it is what it is and the choices are only between accept it and play and quit. This game’s direction will not change.
I like the repeatable challenges and being able to redeem the Warpath intel for some “interesting” items (not sure the Faction bastion modules were as well thought-out as they could be, but at least we have options now). The challenges are an absolute grind, though…
It would appear that many people don’t understand that this is a business and a business can only function if there’s a profit. Multiboxing is not going to go away because you’ve got one person with four or more accounts that’s paying the company. Sorry this doesn’t meet up to someones socialist Utopia ideals but you have to understand the realities of what a business actually does.
It’s not a chore to sustain the ‘economy’. Economy of EVE is a phenomenon arising from the actions of all players, and one single player does not need to take upon himself a massive effort to ‘‘sustain it’’. It arises naturally through player actions.
They don’t balance the ‘economy’ of the game. Economy of EVE is mostly player-driven. As in demand and supply originate almost exclusively from player actions. Some of the items which only drop from ratting, for example, yes – those are examples of items which get ‘balanced’ by Fenris/CCP, but they don’t balance those things in a vacuum either. They look at the seed rate into the game and demand and modify the drops according to that. I find it reasonable. It doesn’t whack out the economy of the game.
A botter will get banned. On all of their accounts if repeat offenders. All their assets taken away. So whatever gains they manage to acquire through such game play is limited. And they will still have paid the monthly sub fee.
It’s not ridiculous. It’s facilitating solutions to and speeding up elimination of the problem. You play this game, you’re part of its universe, it’s not unreasonable to take action within that universe against malicious actors. You don’t have to do it, but then don’t come complaining about all the bots either when you clearly can’t even do that much as to right click and select ‘report’.
It feels like CCP has deliberately chosen to design EvE around botting and multiboxing while simply accepting that anyone not doing that is not going to fare well in their game.
Long term, I don’t think that will be good for the game, because I don’t think there are enough people willing to spend the money to make it profitable.
Especially since said activity can also pay for the PLEX via in game currency, so chasing these “whales” seems less effective to me, but maybe CCP has information I don’t.
Making things more expensive IS good, but it only makes a difference if you also adress botting and multiboxing.
You say a botter will get banned and their assets taken away as if it were an instant, foolproof process. That sounds like a dream world, not the EVE we see today. In reality, these farms operate for months, injecting trillions into the economy before a ban even happens. By then, the damage is done, the RMT is completed, and they simply spin up new accounts.
I’m here to play, not to be CCP’s unpaid intern. Because of the constant nerfs to bounties and income, I have to spend more time than ever just to sustain my own gameplay. I simply don’t have the luxury of time to do the job CCP’s security team should be doing
At this point it’s better to accept alpha clone, just saying.
You not entirely wrong. But this topic also not going nowhere any time soon.
I feel just like the title, but I already accepted my future alpha, just one more month of omega ahead. The grind is not worthy and I don’t feel like paying, I posted my reasons all around the forums already.
I gonna tell you, you going to ignore and try it anyway, pain and anger is the outcome. Good luck anyway, maybe you decide to do other stuff and find EVE is not to be won, either you pay for play or you work for it.
FC is not that dumb, they had us all the time… Now they gonna serve us to Deepmind behavior analysis. kewk. (that part is just me being mean, PLEASE IGNORE).
