Get yer ganking arse back in here and do your duty, Ima Wreckyou. Ye fekking tail-bobbed microwaving grilled cheese sandwich eater. (CCP management is kind of mucking things up lately, but that’s OK)
Game on!
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Haha, same thought the second I read his post. He is so toxic he just reveals himself immediately.
No, there is another argument I made in the OP, which basically is if I want to give money to CCP out of my own pocket, because I attribute enough value to the work CCP is doing. The fact that I can remain Omega indefinitely with an SP farm just gives me the option to chose, at the cost of no progression of the alt.
I don’t think new versions is a good way for MMOs to progress. This may work for other game types, but for an MMO it basically means you trow away the whole community and with that years of history, investments, social bounds, … I could go on and on, there is a reason they once said “EVE is real”.
Also the whole Code argument isn’t really valid. EVE is a product which has lots of different pieces working together. They have replaced countless pieces server side and the EVE which was once launched is long gone and has been replaced multiple times in an iterative fashion. There is nothing to be gained by trowing all this away and rebuilding it from scratch. There are other ways to improve the software. The technical limitations CCP is facing are oftentimes limits which everyone would face if they would build a similar game, the benefit CCP has is that they have over 15 years of experience on what works and what not.
On a personal note:
At the moment I don’t have a lot of time to play anyway since I’m pretty busy in RL. But this thread was a really good experience and a lot of very good points and criticism was raised.
I have also since thought a bit more about if the stagnation of EVE is just a perception issue on my side. If I look at the patch notes there clearly is stuff going on. New stuff gets implemented, maybe slower, maybe still at the same pace, but it seams that there is a problem with visibility or overall coherence in appearance when they make this changes.
Anyway, once I’m back with more time to play I will probably resub my alt for another year. This thread has helped me answer the question and despite the apparent stagnation EVE still holds a lot of value and I feel like I should pay CCP for the effort they take to keep it running.
I hope they get their internal stuff settled, as it seams from the CSM minutes that they are not really in a good place when it comes to employee satisfaction, which is understandable given the fact that they laid off that many co-workers, which in oftentimes are like friends or even family.
I also want to thank the GMs and ISD for leaving the thread open and providing the ability to discuss such controversial things, even with multiple posters trying to completely derail the thread. This is not something which should be taken for granted and could not be freely discussed in many other official game forums. Thank you!
I think we should leave the thread open so others can still share their views.
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OHHHHHHHHHH! DON’T GO!!! 
We need enthusiastic content creators like yourself so that there is someone to ■■■■■■■■ with and have fun.
Yes, I think it was and is.
Your 3 core concerns where:
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Microtransactions regarding SP/PLEX. Yet you went ahead and built an SP farm anyways, from which you continue to benefit.
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Player Stargates, which afaik is still on the roadmap, and has nothing to do with ganking which is your apparent focus.
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CCP not communicating planned changes, which is nonsense since almost all Dev Blogs are linked to extensive discussion threads started well in advance of launch of changes.
When you started thread, you asked “why you should sub”.
You said you decided not to, and now claim you wont have time to play EVE anyways.
To be quite honest, I dont think CCP much cares if they lose your one and single sub, amongst the x amount of other accounts you currently PLEX from your stockpiles, and will continue to PLEX, especially using SP farms.
If you where the guy in this thread that pumps over 1k dollars into CCP for 8 accounts per year, yeah, then it might matter.
Let us know in this thread if/when you change your mind to pay a single sub again, and why.
Thanks!
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I doubt this thread was meant even remotely as “CCP give me content or else!” threat.
This is something I’m also wondering about. To find an answer, I try to imagine if I would have the same fun in Eve when I would be starting now instead of eight years ago. The answer is most likely yes, despite many things having changed (some of them clearly not to the better).
For me, the problem is rather that there isn’t much left on my Eve bucket list, there is more or less nothing left I have to still discover or want to try and everything I do is just an iteration of the previous attempt (which is competing against glorified memories of the past).
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It was an extended ambiguous whine, none of which mattered since she still didnt sub.
Instead she is so space rich with isk and PLEX, and income from SP farm, that she was wringing her fingers whether to sub ONE of her X number of accounts.
Frankly, its laughable.
Typical case of first-world problems in EVE.
“Oooh nooo. I have so much isk/PLEX and an SP farm! Why should I sub ONE account anymore? Halp me please! GIEF ME A REASON!”
She is asking why she should sub ONE account, when she already has an SP farm to fund it, without any cash cost (despite SP/PLEX microtransactions being one of her grievances).
The whole thread is ridiculous.
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@Ima_Wreckyou
I think you should close the thread since mass-flaggers have arrived
And the only things that are being said are repetitive… lol
(Or just irrelevant)
1- I don’t mass flag, because something CCP will ban if you abuse.
2- it’s her thread, not yours
(Weirdly enough I made the exact same post about 30 posts back, and it got mass flagged)
You said yourself there was nothing left to say, but you keep saying the same stuff as if it was going to change anyone’s opinion.
But I must be the evil forum guy /s
E: to your edit, and here you spent all your time arguing over a "waste of time"
Come on lol
E2: 186 posts out of a total 783
You’re definitely trolling now
I dont mass flag, or alt flag, or get others to flag.
This is the only account I use here.
I only flag when someone starts getting personal with insults.
Sure, but its public and for all of us to engage in.
I asked if there was more to say, or add.
OP has decided she wont sub, and instead use her PLEX stockpiles and SP farm to cover her play.
So what more is there to say or add?
So I was an active poster? Whats wrong with that?
Most of it was other people posting to me, to which ofc I replied.
Thanks for numbering your points.
o7
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Sp farming hardly generates any income if at all anymore. I’m pretty sure, that if you don’t put quite an effort into the trading parts of that, you wil more likely come out at a net loss.
I expect any player who is in the game for several years, let alone as long as Ima, to be space rich or at least to be able to efficicently generate Isk on demand.
Or maybe she is just asking why she should still support CCP directly instead of taking the low effort no-cost route of having the account paying for itself. Especially considering that the recent and future development doesn’t seem to be to her liking for some or even the most part.
Contrary to many of her other posts, I don’t see anything wrong with that - no trolling or anything offensive about it. It’s not even connected to her sometimes controversial playstyle or any Code propaganda.
You might consider her post whining or find the topic a complete waster of forum space, because she could just have made up her mind about this on her own, but this could have been said in a single post (if at all).
What I did read in this thread - between hundreds of posts of pointless back and forth on borderline off-topic stuff - is that there are other people somehow sharing her sentiments towards the game.
Ok, bro! (NOT)
That’s a false expectation.
You are suggesting that vets no longer need to pay CCP cash, which is a serious problem.
No, she wasnt.
She no longer has to sub, thanks to her SP farm.
Thats why this became an “issue” for her.
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Do we really have to do the math?
No, I’m not. I was saying that being “space rich” is not a point in this discussion as any veteran should be able to be “space rich enough” if he puts in the time of effort.
This has nothing to do with the decision if this player pays directly or via Isk - except for the fact that he has a choice - contrary to newer, inexperienced players.
Also, the fact that you can permanently sustain your Omega status by selling extractors makes being rich not even necessary - you only need the privilege of not needing any SP progression anymore. Again something, that only long term players have.
No, she doesn’t need to sub, but she is still considering the option to do so. The OP (and the thread title) are directly referring to this point.
It seems, you are seriously over-interpreting things here…
Sure. Do the math.
Its net positive.
That’s why SP farms exist.
There. You did it again.
She said she did not sub. So consideration ended as relevant to this thread.
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No one asked you to stay. Actually I repetedly said you should move on if you are not interested in a discussion. Also I’m in no way obligated to answer any of your questions.
Please move on and stop spaming the thread.
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They are not net positive. The only farms that still exist are single purpose alts like gank characters who need no more SP and use extraction to lower the PLEX cost. But it is still ~100-200mil per month.
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@Salvos_Rhoska
Do you even read?
Net positive?
You ask why she keeps a sp farm
I answer with what she said in her previous post
You can’t be net positive when you spend more than you get back…
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Why are you still maintaining your SP farm, if it is causing you a net loss?
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