When you run out of arguments, fight over the definition of PVP - EVE adage.
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Just deny Alpha accts the use of the flag system. When you have no consequences, you’ll have abuse.
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Being banned form the forums is a consequence, and the mods know who it is. I think it would be more to the point to not allow anyone who’s been in the forums for less than a month to flag stuff.
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For sure. But if you make a troll acct then how much does it matter if you get banned? You just make a new one.
I guess you could just get rid of the flag system as it is currently. CCP should have known it would be weaponized when implemented in its current state.
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Oh right, of course.
However in the end,
Who cares ?
Chapter 7:
The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment.
Essential core concept. So no, EVE isn’t a PvE game. CCP may be on their best way on turning it into a themepark WoW clone, but they aren’t quite there yet.
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This is why nothing you say makes sense. You make up your own definitions that are inaccurate generalizations and then use them to argue some point.
But it was all ■■■■■■■■ because of your made up definitions.
Do you really think developers ditch their product lexicon for you? It may sound good, which is good enough in the forums.
But to the people that matter it is twisted ■■■■■■■■.
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Dunning Kruger
That document is not a reliable source of facts. It was obviously written by a copywriter who was paid to create something that worked as a brochure
Here’s another quote from it that has been spun a little to attract players:
The statement quoted above is simply incorrect (that is, it doesn’t describe anything that actually happens in the game).
The one you quoted is self-contradictory.
To restate the obvious (which given your username shouldn’t be necessary): EVE is either a sandbox or designed in detail to achieve some objective (such as maximizing (or minimizing more likely) combat PvP).
BTW if there’s a “middle ground” it will inevitably take us into the space I’m highlighting. A sensible discussion on which parts of EVE are “combat PvP”, which are “pure PvE”, and which are mixed would be interesting. But what are the odds of that happening /lol?
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Salt
Your technique is quite good, but to make it work you have deny the fact that IRL (among a few hundred million gamers) “PvP” defaults to “PvP Combat”.
Good technique works inside the echo chamber of course, but it’s not necessary there - you’re “preaching to the choir”.
OTOH I’m not trying to persuade anyone that’s already completely lost in the fog.
It’s an official source of facts. Like them or not.
How comes your baseless opinion is more reliable than official documents ?
Sorry but that affirmation of yours is completely retarded. Either you want official data or you don’t.
Actually it’s completely correct.
This is not obvious, this is actually completely wrong.
A sandbox means that PLAYERS choose their own goal. Designed to achieve PVP means that the game mechanisms in that sandbox are made in order to give PVP more possibility to happen.
None, because your question makes no sense. You are actually begging the question, with inaccurate terms and neologisms that actually bear no meaning.
“sensible”, “pure PvE”, “combat PvP” are completely ■■■■■■■■ terms in your post.
Says the one stuck inside the echo chamber.
You are trying to persuade yourself that your sh¡t is based on reality - but it is not.
Thus when someone proves that what you said is ■■■■■■■■, you can’t accept it.
But all your posts here are either due to a misunderstanding of the terms ; or, since you repeat that misunderstanding, from an ill-minded approach and vested interests.
You are lying on purpose because you can’t accept the truth
The truth is, your opinion is ■■■■■■■■ and you don’t understand anything to the game.
- You are requesting FACTS that are already present in game, or present in official documentation, which proves you just did not take the time to read any official documentation. And when people give you those facts, you just disregard them without any argument, which proves you are not here to discuss but to bullsh¡t.
- You are misusing terms to make them say something different from their meaning (“Eve is PvP”).
- You are using terms that have no meaning and thus can be used to say anything, including complete bullsh¡t - ie you are actively trying to ■■■■■■■■ people on this forum.
You are a ■■■■¡ng retarded clown.
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Apparently head to head Tetris championships arent PvP.
At least, according to an opinion formulated by someone Ive never met.
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Those are by no means mutually exclusive. I get the heavy impression that you’re just throwing around terms without any clue about their meaning. Hence the odds for having a sensible discussion are indeed zero, simply because you’re incapable of having one.
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yes, it look like he opened a dict at a random page and use words at random.
And then “lol you don’t agree with me so you are not sensible”.
What an asshole.
Incoming!!
or not !!!
I think he lost his random number generator.
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Mr Kruger
A game cannot be a sandbox (a framework for “emergent behavior”) and designed according to a specific principle - e.g. the “bittervet narrative” wants to claim “It’s a PVP game” (with a highly eccentric definition of “PvP”). If a game a sandbox, what it is depends on what players do with the possibilities - that layer of the definition has to be descriptive.
What the sandbox actually allows for “free-fire (non-consensual) combat PvP” (almost) anywhere in “open space”. it’s an important characteristic of EVE. But it doesn’t magically redefine “PvP” (except in EVE cryåpto-speech of course, but that’s where we came in)
So far it wouldn’t actually matter if EVE is called a PvP game or not … but then things get weird:
In EVE (but only EVE) trading is called PvP. It’s competitive, as is trading in every other game, and you might stretch the point and call it “Trading PvP”, but EVE players don’t.
In EVE, it’s called “PvP” to do something 100% safe but competitive (such as trading). and "PvP to do things (hauling, mining, etc) where the player could be attacked by other players, but in fact is not. Note that this isn’t a “battlefield scenario”, where there is nearby combat. EVE players still want to call it “PvP” when the there’s one miner in a system, working the environment to generate ISK
Somewhere between flying into places where you have every reason to expect you’ll be attacked, and doing something as safe as possible to generate ISK, the unqualified term “PvP” stops being applicable except by EVE players who are trying to spin the facts for their own benefit,
I’m looking forward to the time when EVE players universally use terms like “mining PvP”, “trading PvP”, “hauling PvP”, combat PvP, etc, so there’s a little more clarity in their communication.
Or, if you’re concerned that there are too many different (compound) terms, or that the truth will make other gamers laugh, go with “competitive” instead. Simple, compact, well-defined, and other gamers will understand immediately.
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A sandbox and emergent behavior are two very different things.
Please open that dict you use for random words and read the definitions of what is a sand box, and what is emergent behavior.
- Sand box means the player is to DEFINE his own goals in the game. It’s opposed to guided gameplay, in which eg you are offered one story and can do it. e.g. in baldur’s gate you are given one story to do, and you can’t do anything once it’s done. Same in neverwinter nights. Same in most “rpg” games. Those are not sandbox.
- emergent gameplay means the interaction between different mechanisms that were not designed to work together, lead to gameplay that was not designed by the devs. e.g. using the beginner quests “seeker investigagion” to create an area to put an ESS into it, is emergent gameplay. But you can have emergent gameplay in other games.
So NO, sandbox and emergent gameplay are by no mean linked together. Your first sentence is already complete ■■■■■■■■.
OK I start reporting you for spam. You keep spoutting complete nonsense in each of your post, and never care about opinions that do not agree with you. Your participation in this forum is completely useless.
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You arent competing against npcs for Trading or Hauling, and you dont mine against NPCs, you chase them away then mine, so these phrases would be utterly pointless.
Edit: With the possible exception of Resource Wars, even then its not a race between ypu and an NPC to fill up fastest.
I dont see whats so confusing about the difference between activity and environment; a PvP game in a Sandbox environment. Why are you still pretending not to understand?
Is it cos you like our faces?
Why dont you have a face?
PvE accident, was it?
What a load of shite.
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Kitten Intermission, because it makes more sense than some of the posts.
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