I believe it is unfair for players (not in fleet) to just sit with a blinged out BS waiting for the players to clear the small ships to spawn the BS just to outrange and steal it. IMO the Program should only allow the persons that clear the small ships to spawn the BS should have exclusivity on the BS.
In High Sec. I am sure these types of High Sec Loot Pirate would NEVER try this in Low or Null.
Not fair CCP, makes some players never even advance much in this Event.
Most of your programming on Events seems to always favor the Blinged Veterans or Null Sec.
I am a Veteran since 2012 and have seen this same unfair actions makes me wish for the end of the event so everyone i equal again.
If they’re dealing the most damage to the battleship - then they’re not stealing anything. If they’re actually stealing the loot, they go suspect and can be dealt with.
The combat aspect of the event involves travelling to a site, killing 5 ships and then the final boss - so unless they’re finished the event they’ll need to shoot at least some of the smaller ships.
Alternately you too can bling out a battleship.
You are talking from the mechanics point of view, he is talking from the user experience - which according to him is not correctly represented in those mechanisms.
And I know, those questions have been present in every event with sites. They come from the frustration to be told there are rewards for an even, while other players abuse the mechanisms to prevent them from getting the rewards they have worked on
I finished the event early this morning - the vast majority (80%+) I completed solo without any interference. It’s really not that hard compared to Crimson Harvest.
There are different ways to win the combat sites if you’re willing to think outside the box. I won’t go into details here, but suffice to say I didn’t have the most powerful ship yet still prevailed most of the time.
This event was advertised as battlecruiser and up with respect to at least the combat sites. So if you’re attempting these with a cruiser you’re going to find it frustrating more often than not.
There’s also mining, exploration and snowball fights.
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You dont have to wait for other to clear the small ships. Get in there and fight! If they arw in your way, killem all! Lol. Get sum
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Just for those curious… I’ve beaten out a Golem, Kronos, Paladin and Vargur with a Golem. Ditto with a Kronos. So Paladins and Vargurs don’t necessarily rule these events.
I have a lot of negative experiences. Why can’t it be solved so that if someone enters the event site, they get the loot if they’ve already shot the npc’s. Anyone who starts should also have to finish or the timer should reset after 5 minutes. Because today alone, 61 out of 70 sites were stolen. They jumped in with Vargur or Golem. Sometimes with Kronos and they specifically keep stealing the loot. I subscribe to the game but I’m still a beginner and I have to face the fact that 99% of the players are spineless… The developers could really solve the problem so that the loot is given to the person who starts the site… The gate should be closed if someone has already jumped in and is doing it. If they die inside, it would open again. If they can do it, it will remain closed against theft. This would be good for a lot of beginner players… I work 12 hours a day. I barely have time to play and in the remaining 1-2 hours of playtime I have to face the fact that the spineless players of the game are capable of stooping to the level of a snail for a 20 million loot… CCP could really take the trouble to close the event after the first entry. Because during my hard 2 hours of playtime I just curse the game and its spineless players. Interestingly, if I jump in after someone and they shoot me, I jump out because I have a spine…
A simple script could be used to solve the problem so that the gate closes after the first player jumps through the gate and nothing can be done until they finish. There could also be a spectacular effect on the gate, if, say, the person finishes the gate and it either changes space or disintegrates into particles…
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Participation will die down in a week or so and the sites will be easier to run. But I know what you’re saying - right now it’s a Marauder-only race with these sites.
CCP should offer small (frigate, destroyer) and medium (cruiser, battlecruiser) sites for this event.
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I agree with you on this. So frustrating to waste time and ammo just to have someone come in and get killing blow. Think I had it happen like 6 times in a row the other night. Bad enough to lose the BS loot but can’t get points to make progress for the event awards if you can’t kill the Battleship!
Making progression concurrent would help, ie:
- Enter a combat site (5)
- Kill 5 NPCs (10)
- Kill the boss (15)
Rather than make it a 1-2-3 progression.
I don’t think in all my years of playing MMO’s since EQ1; have I ever experienced holiday events that actually exclude newer players from participating.
Why?
You need all the new player retention you can get, do you know how bad it feels to not be able to participate in combat if that is what you intend to do? feels super bad man. Even the 35 mill to fly an endurance is a stretch for alot of new players, let alone fitted, and let alone your probably getting ganked by 2 cata’s in HS either way (maybe, probably)
Flying a Drake just to be able to duo/trio sites with your corp bros. takes a few months? of training as an alpha.
Where is the frigate/destroyer sites for our newbro friends. Inclusivity is better than feeding bitter vets rewards they don’t really need IMO. Why pigeon-hole them out of combat sites? Why create a bottleneck of explo. sites that 30+ people compete for?
Such a lost opportunity to welcome in newer players, instead newbros get disgruntled that no event in this game is for them until they have 3-5 months in and Omega’d atleast once or twice…
Stop catering to vets on these events, and start including newbros IN EVERY EVENT.
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“Newbros” or “Alphas”? Because as an Alpha, you’re always going to be at a disadvantage (sorry to burst your bubble if you’re an Alpha). The snowball and ice mining challenges are open to everyone (and not necessarily that competitive).
I’ve already mentioned above that I think they should have some tiered combat events - but as this event has basically been the same for the last x number of years I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
Vets are the ones that keep this game running. Most whales are veteran players. Most veterans spend the most money and play the most. Having Alpha is enough content for new players to try out the game. And then 20 per month for Omega is basically NOTHING for an unlimited amount of fun in Eve Online.
NewBros can join tons of events. There is soooooo much to do for PVE and PVP. If someone doesn’t engage in it all, it is their fault. Can’t expect the game to be based around new players only.
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I don’t necessarily think these events are catered to veterans. I do think that Omegas will obviously have an advantage over Alphas - mainly because the combat sites are pretty much a “Marauders only” club.
But competition for these should die down in the next week or so - that still leaves plenty of time to complete the event.
Not denying this; of course veterans w/4+ multi-boxed accounts pay for the game.
Alphas are just sticking around to see if it is worth it to play long term, most of them don’t which is why, catering all aspects of the event (to include COMBAT) for them as well, is good for retention long term by including frigate/destroyer sites.
If you need the 100 plex as a veteran, your just looking for special treatment, we all know this is done by CCP to lower inflating plex cost to be achieved by the ungodly amount of accounts multi-boxing. Go touch grass into other games and see how events in 95% of them include all players, not just Mid-tier +
All that was asked is that newbros/alphas get a reasonable shot at combat sites also (for less points per) and not forced to be competing over 30+ players to get 10 pts in a boring slog or boring snowball fights. It’s not that hard, or detrimental to the game. It’s better than running either alpha/newbro off after not being able to experience Tetrimon sites for halloween, and now these combat sites.
I am Omega, alot of the newbros in my corp brought this up in discord and seem ready to ditch which isn’t new, or a threat at this point. Game is already backed by no-lifer multi-boxers, to try and say they don’t deserve it, is how CCP only gets 9000 unique IPs logging into the game, yeah 19000 players concurrently. Veterans out there with 4-5 accounts is the norm, not the exception. learn to include.
This hits on the point I was aiming for, over the past years CCP has been incredibly exclusive with these events, T2/BC blingy club, etc. and it’s done nothing for player population other than to run it down. Including combat sites, including all aspects of the event for everyone, makes players feel LESS disgruntled and actually have something to play for/do other than mindless tasks they don’t already do.
Just so weird they don’t alter the events up to be inclusive to me. WoW, GW2, FF, all the majors do this and actually retain players. EVE just milks the veterans instead of giving a positive experience to newbro’s/alphas aswell. They feel the exclusion, they leave. MMO’s are better when the population grows, rather than depletes into veteran only multi-boxer clubs of exclusivity.
Not looking for more “rewards” for alphas, this is not a cry for non-supporters to earn more than they currently can, its a plea to include players in all aspects of the event in an event they can already complete in, because they are too lazy to include combat sites for all tiers of play.
The players busting out of alpha in the 5-25M range, who might not be able to fly Marauders yet, who pay for Omega, are still excluded from combat sites. It’s bad design that drives people from re-subbing.