Friday 28th Nov I got sent to hospital. Yesterday, at last feeling well enough, I signed on for the first time since the 28th to discover 4 alts in space. Fuerther investgation showed that where these alts were when I logged out, together with the entire corp assets had gone since the station had been ‘abandoned’ on the 16th Dec and recovery of any assets had timed out. Am I correct in saying these assets (minerals, PI items, blueprints, ships, fiitings - 10 years worth) are gone and I need to start afresh?
If you verified that the citadel your items were in was indeed ‘abandoned’ and then blown up while abandoned, then yes, your assets that were inside were all gone.
Sorry to hear that!
Asset safety only works for structures that have recently (within the last 7 days) been fueled, so it’s a risk to hold that many assets inside one structure where you cannot guarantee a permanent fueled status.
10 Years? Ouch. I’m a bit confused though, most of the time I hear about someone coming back and finding their stuff gone took a break from before 2020 since the whole “abandoned structure disables asset safety” thing didn’t happen before 2020 and such a thing was never put on their website until they decided to change asset safety in less than 4 months (honestly, I think a 3 YEAR notice would have been needed or they should have implemented asset safety in its current form from the start instead of pulling the rug from their inactives).
I guess it wouldn’t help in your specific case since you had to leave for health reasons, but were you the only one in your corp that got stuck like this? Did they at least give their line members a 3 week’s notice “hey we’re packing up?” I remember one time some blues gave us a 10 day notice they were packing up their stuff we were staging from and my CEO actually had to pay the fuel since he wanted it fueled and they just wanted to let it run out before they unanchored it. If your corp doesn’t give advanced, this could be a problem in the future. A head notice wouldn’t help someone who needs to go to the hospital, but it would help for all other breaks in the game.
Or maybe you guys were operating out of a citadel freeport? I don’t trust those within 3 jumps of any trade hub except Tranqulity Trading Tower, and others owned it’s owner Tranquility trading Corperation. Freeports more than 3 jumps away are usually safer and corps will generally keep freeports fueled. At least 7 times I went to a “freeport,” then 3-8 months later the owner does access control list games and took out the fuel, so essentially it is a scam citadel where they’re hoping people are too stupid to manually trigger asset safety. In fact one of these 3 jumps from Ammar was abandoned on the 16th…
Never keep things in player own stations that your corp or alliance doesn’t control.
I’d submit a support ticket and see if CCP will give you your stuff back because of the health reasons. If the station was online when you last logged off and gone when you next logged back on, they should be able to help with that at least a little. If that happened to me, I’m not sure I’d ever play again if CCP didn’t help.
No, I’m absolutely sure I’d never play again if that happened.
Correct me if I’m wrong but it sounds like it was their own structure that just wasn’t fueled enough in advance to cover the unexpected break from EVE.
Destroyed and looted ships won’t get reimbursed in a support ticket as far as I know, at most you could ask for whatever was destroyed (not looted) in the fight (if CCP does even that).
The mechanics of the abandoned state of structures have been in the game for the past 5 years and ever since that time it has been a risk to have assets in a structure if you aren’t sure the structure is fueled for as long as your assets are inside. It’s a big risk you take by storing assets inside an Upwell structure.
Just to clarify, I’m a solo player and ‘rent’ offices/manufacturing/research facilities. I accepted the risks and kept assets lower in total volume than two freighters so could ‘evacuate’ with no great hassle. But there again, I was never away from the game unexpectedly (ha - oh sweet irony).
But I don’t have another 10 years in me to rebuild so it’s time to go back to Alpha whilst I consider opions.
Well it seems you knew the risks (unlike the poor saps who left stuff in and took a break before the changes to the current mechanics). I understand it still sucks. Still I’m happy you are healthy again. After suffering numerous ailments in the last 3 months, even though I didn’t need hospitalization, I can empathize with that. And I’m glad that even though you aren’t able to get back to where you were in the game, at least your body is fine.
If your subscription didn’t expire yet and you have an Orca, you can try some solo ice mining in 0.7 sec or higher systems while you try to determine what your long term plans are. I wouldn’t buy an Orca for this purpose, but if you already have one it can give you some rebuilding funds. I’m not going to pretend this is a get rich quick scheme, but it is low stress. Don’t bother if you either already ran out of omega months or if you don’t have an Orca to begin with. Speakiing of which, Orcas are pretty useful for high sec operations in general. When you don’t have something that needs to be carried by a blockade runner (blueprints for example) but it can fit in an orca, it algins a lot faster than freighters.
As for how to avoid this in the future? You can’t avoid unexpected breaks from the game. The building owners can at any time decide not to pay the fuel bill or just dock you out entirely. The most you can do is just make sure you don’t put stuff in a citadel from a corp known to do these things. I have found only 3 corps that reliably put things within 3 jumps of a trade hub to not pull out the fuel on their freeports. I’ve been many freeports farther than 3 jumps that are safeish, but most of the freeports within proximity of tade hubs tend to be people who hope for people to store stuff there and then they pull the plug. Usually those freeports are less than 3 years old, I don’t see too many “long lived” citadels where the onwners do that trick on you.