Quick, demand more safe spaces from CCP!
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I don’t think you even understand what a sandbox is…
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This is what Eve is.
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Wrong and you know it…
And THAT statement alone defines the problem here…
You DON’T WANT the game being BETTER you want YOUR game…
And this is the reason the spoiled PVP kids(of any ages) are oposing even a slight change into the right(wanted by anyone else beside them) direction…
PVP was focused on for a long time,which was good at that time but today it is simply outdated and only leads to people leaving.something that -obviously- happens,even the biggest,stubborn minded,one dimensional brained pvp hardcore fanboi can not deny the player loss this game is suffering.
The problem is that-being spoiled for way too long over the years- this fanbois REALLY think the spoil is their BIRTHRIGHT and that THEY have to decide the course of the game(which means continuing their playstyle and nothing else),which is far from being true.
FACT is there are only TWO options for CCP now…
1.Alter the course of the game to the mainstream and GAIN players again…
or
2.Listen to the minority of PVP bois,keep the course and go down in flames over the next 1-2 year loosing players 'til ONLY the bois are left…
Well in my eyes the decision is clear…ignore stupidity and change to mainstream…
Wut?
Okay, here is a screenshot of the 12 most popular games on Twitch right now. I am aware that this is not exactly the same thing than a player counts, but it take much less time to obtain and it is very close to represent the same data.
In the top 12, 10 are PvP games, 1 is people doing things in real life, and only 1 is PvE. Even then, the only PvE game represented here is boosted by an event that will end at the end of the week and currently give it half of it’s viewers.
The only place where the statement that PvP games are more populars can be wrong is in a parallel world that only exist in your head.
No.
I want a BETTER game and you want a DIFFERENT game.
Better = Upgrading the current game (What I want)
Different = Changing the core concept of the game (What you want)
I don’t deny the player loss. Nobody here ever denied it.
What I deny is the reason you are giving to explain the player loss, that are OBVIOUSLY not the good reasons when you look at the FACTS. And I mean the REALS facts such as the one you can see on my screen, not the “facts” that only exist in your head.
Of course, it IS the birthright of everybody to advocate for a product/idea that they love.
You are the one who is wrong by thinking you have the birthright to deny the existence of our own rights just because you are supposed to be the majority. I would still have the birthright to defend my opinion and my vision even if I was the only human on earth to have this opinion.
That’s called freedom of thinking and freedom of speech and those are universal human rights. And yes, they are BIRTHRIGHTS.
Then, since I know you will ignore most of my post as usual, please answer to this simple question at least:
WHY every other MMORPG are also LOOSING players at the same rate than EvE and sometimes even faster, despite being PvE focused?
They are not gaining players, they are constantly loosing players, EvE would not be different than them.
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I just want free SP
The difference is, those popular PvP games are designed around and for PvP, where the PvP is fairly fast, accessible, moderately balanced, not completely unfair in the matching, and the cost of ‘loss’ is generally a bit of downtime while you respawn or launch the next match.
EVE is a PvE game with some PvP stuck in it to keep things interesting, PvP isn’t fast or accessible, loss is a considerable setback, and the time involved and awkwardness of the UI makes finding PvP more of a barrier than a welcome mat.
PvP in EVE would be fine if the PvP mechanics and environment were properly designed to actually encourage PvP. EVE is essentially a PvE MMO that tries to sell itself using it’s PvP ‘core’ but fails to make that PvP interesting, accessible or time-effective. That’s the primary reason it’s losing players (among others, one being as you correctly pointed out that older MMOs are losing players in general).
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That’s very true.
However, I’m currently responding to Darlo statement that PvP as a concept is outdated and do not interest players at all.
I have a different view of this personnally.
While it is true that you spend much more time doing PvE than PvP because you have to fund your PvP somehow, for me when talking about what “the game is about”, we are talking about what you actually want to engage in at the end of the day.
In the case you are describing, the goal of the player is to finally participate in a PvP battle. PvE is not the reason why the player you take as an example is playing the game, it’s something he do to rise fund to actually play the content he really want to play.
Kinda like a job that he do not like that much, but need to do because the activities he really enjoy are not free and he need money to do them.
I think they are, tho, since as I said, most players sooner or later have the intention to invest what they have farmed into some sort of PvP. They do not encourage very frequent combat, that’s true, but they do encourage to set PvP battles as your objective.
Yeah, accessibility is a much bigger problem than the actual concept of PvP in a world where everybody can download a game and play it as full potential in the first hour of gameplay.
On the other hand, there is still a pro to this: To some degree, things conserve some kind of long term value, because they are constantly destroyed and have to be reproduced.
This let the game avoid a problem that many other “persisent universes” have, where they have no effective way to destroy ressources, and at some point absolutely everybody is running arround with the best gear/fit/whatever available for a ridiculous price, because the markets are absolutely full of it.
So everything below the best possible gear can as well be deleted from the game and even the best doesn’t imply any effort, which as a cascade effect hurt the viability of a tons of PvE and crafting activities.
At least, the huge entry barrier to PvP and the ressources destruction it implies, to some degree stop this effect where 90% of the game could as well not exist anymore.
This is the reason why industry stay a viable carrier path in EvE, meanwhile crafting professions in WoW have been absolutely useless for several years.
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■■■■■■■ hell Balos, just use of character.
Nope. We want a better game. YOU are the one arguing for a game that is better for farmer trash and worse for everyone else.
PVP was focused on for a long time,which was good at that time but today it is simply outdated and only leads to people leaving.something that -obviously- happens,even the biggest,stubborn minded,one dimensional brained pvp hardcore fanboi can not deny the player loss this game is suffering.
And your point is? When farmer trash leaves it’s a good thing. Why can’t you hurry up and do the same?
1.Alter the course of the game to the mainstream and GAIN players again…
And yet no matter how many times CCP nerfs PvP player numbers don’t increase. Your promise of more money is a lie, farmer trash aren’t going to save CCP.
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All i read here is the same BLABLABLA you can hear for YEARS now…
Since then EVE has lost 2/3 of it’s playerbase…and this DESPITE strictly focusing on the pvp favor and only unwillingly giving PVE some treats like war dec changes and the PVP LIKE fob’s and INVASIONS NO PVE PLAYER ASKED FOR…
PVE does not WANT NOR NEED npc that behave like gankers,even pod you…what we want and need is actual pve content and not simulated PVP…
PVE ‘content’ that is only PVP in disguise like the filament crap which you can PVP’ED into(coincidence?) is no solution it is the CAUSE for the player loss…
Shut up, Balos.
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Well, at least you’re honest enough to admit that you are farmer trash.
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yep…your answer of choice if you are out of arguments…
And you admit your own stupidness and one-dimensional thinking with every breath you take…
I prefer beeing smart over your cave dweller ‘club on the head’ style
And editing posts and turning the meaning around is part of your stupidness…
I’m glad you can do it of course…an easy hobby is good for a guy like you…
And yet you’re the one whining and crying about how the new PvE content is too challenging and insisting that CCP make the game easier for you.
Yes because i’m right and you…well…not so really…
Yep, sounds about right. Just keep declaring yourself to be right while everyone else laughs at how pathetic you are.
PVP like pve is no PVE…it’s PVP by definition…nobody needs it nor asked for it…
Wait, what? Do you believe that the NPCs have souls? You are writing incoherent gibberish.