-1 All This Scarcity Has Made Me Scarce

[ZhaoMin]

I’m the only active admin from Pro Synergy right now, I know 1000% what you mean regarding this career branch.

For those of you that don’t know, Pro Synergy is well know player corp that is well organized in regards to be mission runners’ salvagers, we even got featured in the community spotlight years back when this occupation meant something especially to newbies.

With current PCU dropping as well as New Char creation slumping, I get weeks of no activities, newbies aren’t interested in salvaging anymore, progression is a joke that skillpoints can be bought for real money.

Anyone that is doing missions / salvaging are now dumba**es since they are so much of a loser that didn’t know what to do in Eve to maximize their ISK/hour to boast about.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

I pretty much agree with you, CCP has destroyed a lot of ‘Specialized’ careers over the years. Over the past few years, they’ve actually made a mockery of Eve’s biggest selling point = being able to do whatever you want.

However I don’t agree with this part of your post:

@ZhaoMin

Anyone that is doing missions / salvaging are now dumba**es since they are so much of a loser that didn’t know what to do in Eve to maximize their ISK/hour to boast about.

I still like running the Epic Arcs and whenever I do the Level 4 Arcs, I always loot and salvage each and every mission. Main reason is so I can collect every single last thing available from them. Granted it’s not as profitable as it once was but it still provides a little more income, plus using a Noctis makes short work of it.

Ever since I first started playing this game I have never ever worried about maximizing ISK per hour. Mainly because that, in my opinion, just turns the game into a job.

Now as for the Epic Arcs, I did take a break from doing them due to the Trig Invasion stuff. Since that’s now over, figured I’d wait just a bit more before jumping back into running them, just to make sure CCP isn’t going to implement some other new fangled content designed to interfere and hinder players from completing their chosen game play activity.

For exploration, I’ve basically stopped doing that since time is now spent doing more traveling then doing actual exploration. However I still do the Cosmic Anomaly sites mainly because they’re quick to complete and have a chance to spawn Commander NPC’s. As for loot and salvage, it depends if there’s a lot of wrecks or not. If a lot then I’ll loot and salvage. Also will loot and salvage if I get a Commander spawn.

Course since I’ve been playing for 13 years I’m not looking to make a ton of ISK from doing loot and salvage. However it does bother me that CCP has pretty much made that and a lot of other viable career choices obsolete.

[ZhaoMin]

I should have reworded that part to begin with

“The general consensus from the current playerbase seems to be…”

In fact, I live on missions and enjoying the relaxation that I can do it on. Once you have a family, irregular hours of gaming life or the pace of many activities are all behind me.

The point we’re trying to make here though is that like you said

@DeMichael_Crimson

However it does bother me that CCP has pretty much made that and a lot of other viable career choices obsolete.

And CCP has done a lot on limiting or narrowing the possibility emergent gameplay over the years, in the name of “healthy ecosystem”, “scarcity”, “combat botters”. While some of them are reasonable motives, the execution and the method of that they carried out are arguably destroying/damaging to the sandbox itself. Yet, I bet bots are still rampant, while the macroeconomy slows and player-driven economy are now really driven by gamedevs and officially endorsed RMT store that is poking at the player’s tolerance to P2W transformation each time they make new packs and items available to purchase with cash wallet.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

Yeah I agree, the game is definitely in a sad state now. It’s like I said earlier:

@DeMichael_Crimson

Over the past few years, they’ve actually made a mockery of Eve’s biggest selling point = being able to do whatever you want.

[Verlyn]

@Meditril

There is an law in evolution which also apply to EVE: if a species (EVE: player) overspecializes into an niche, it will die out (EVE: quit) unless it is able to adapt to an environmental change.

Eve was all about sandbox variety and finding specialized niches and careers, it’s what made it stand out from other MMOs out there. I guess you got lost on the way as to what Eve was actually about all along ?

Also, most “normal” people in life don’t particularly enjoy being toyed around with when it comes to their personal time (and rl money), and in a video game at that. So they leave, pure and simple.

Those who put blame on leavers, or a game’s director saying they can ■■■■ off as he knows they’ll be back … are either outright sadists or caught into their own sadomasochist cult.

Saying all that, all these so called “scarcity” changes will change nothing on the long run.
The deep whale supply will remain in the shadows until it is being told by CCP it can come out again.

[Meditril]

I am not blaming the leavers, it is just a matter of fact that in an open and heavily player driven sand box god (CCP) has sometimes to intervene and change things, which are running out of order. Otherwise the game gets boring and stagnant with only one playstyle being de-facto playable.

As EVE was clearly running in the past towards such an undesirable state, change was and is still needed. Unfortunatelly for CCP is just that while they are „gods“ in EVE they don‘t have god-like Knowledge of all the dependencies of human player interaction and even worser they have to earn money with the game

This mean they will have to do decisions which are a) biased towards monetarisation of the game and b) might turn out to be wrong from time to time. But all of this is still better than letting the game to get stagnant.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Verlyn

and finding specialized niches and careers

Those careers are still there and if anything they are even more niche and specialised now than before.

People just got used to things being easy and lucrative with little risk. They got a shock from the nerf sure, but the economy will simply recalibrate in a healthier state.

If players are quitting because of scarcity they are basically advocating for the game to remain unhealthy (looking at you null bears). It will be hard to miss them.

[Verlyn]

@Daichi_Yamato

Those careers are still there and if anything they are even more niche and specialised now than before.

Ok, so take an example to back up that statement and let’s have a proper look shall we ?

@Daichi_Yamato

People just got used to things being easy and lucrative with little risk. They got a shock from the nerf sure, but the economy will simply recalibrate in a healthier state.

No it wont, the problem lies at the core, it’s unfixable, unless you’re basing your entire business plan on targeting people born in the late 2000s to give enough of a damn about a shitty and clunky video game made 2 decades ago … ? It sure is one risky gamble…

Also the people with the most accumulated supply in the game can just simply log back in and cause a general imbalance if they want to, and we’re back to square one, just like real life markets.

@Daichi_Yamato

If players are quitting because of scarcity they are basically advocating for the game to remain unhealthy (looking at you null bears). It will be hard to miss them.

The players are the last to be put to blame, if any blame at all.

The average joe will simply want to play a video game according to their personal preferences and that’s just a selfish fact of human nature. You can’t force perpetual and arbitrary damps and changes hoping it will fix everything, when it comes to humans, you’ll get the opposite results.

I guess, we could say, most of you who like to put the blame on other leaving players simply do so out sadistic spite and disgust in human nature, more than anything truly healthy for any kind of social environment.

And given CCP Rattatis remarks about the playerbase, it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to assume he shares this kind of disposition …

[Daichi_Yamato]

Your terrible knowledge of economics aside…

@Verlyn

Ok, so take an example to back up that statement and let’s have a proper look shall we ?

Trading.

You can’t just dump everything on the market and play the 0.1 isk game anymore. You have to think about how frequently items are traded and how much the prices move, what’s a good price and a bad price. It is specialist knowledge.

Higher taxes encourages more trading via contracts, this is specialist gameplay like the hi-sec buyback program.

Mining.

Restricting certain minerals to certain areas of the game is specialisation.

Low sec mining didn’t exist like it does now given ore DNA changes. Searching for and mining rocks that are 4-5x times the value of hi-sec ore is now finally worthy of players making a career out of. Similar with ice mining.

Industry

The lower availability of minerals in certain areas and BP changes affects how easily you can build different ships. Like the way frigates and dessies only need 4 mineral types instead of 7. Three of which come from highsec. This is a specialisation. Same thing with the new components. Industrial players can specialise in their construction.

Structures

Reducing structure spam makes them a niche tool rather than easily obtainable by everyone.

ESS

Robbing the bank is a new niche of gameplay.

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This is just off the top of my head. But i put the question back to you:

Tell me one area of the game that is LESS specialised or niche by scarcity?

@Verlyn

The players are the last to be put to blame, if any blame at all.

I’m not putting the blame on players for the necessity of scarcity. But i can certainly blame them for quitting.

Take null bears for example: it was no secret that the farming in null was crazy out of hand. It was talked about for years by players, devs and csm. So CCP implemented black out and null bears rejected it.

So CCP came back again with the DBS/ESS and gutting null asteroid belts. Again the farming in null has to be curtailed in some way for the game to be healthy. But the null bears have rejected that too.

That’s because the nullbears don’t want a healthy game. They don’t want a risk/reward balance. They want a farming simulator.

The same goes for all these QQ posts. Scarcity is a bitter pill to swallow, but it is still medicine. If this medicine makes you quit, it means you are the cancer CCP are trying to kill.

[May_Q_Cry]

[Hug_Motsu]

@Destiny_Corrupted

It was that PvE Tengu loss, wasn’t it? That’s why you have the sads?

i have lost no tengu or t3c for that matter, and i agree with what OP says.
Its simply isnt fun anymore.
there is no carrot only stick.

@Meditril

Simply try out PVP in less blink ships and your need for crazy ingame income is gone. You can even have a lot of fun with PVP with ships below 100M ISK.

yeah well, it’s supposed to be a sandbox where he may do what he likes… and you should check your privileges before you start giving “advice” that ppl did not enjoy themself because they weren’t in a cheap ■■■■ ship.
Also try to remember that his “crazy stuff” also meant ppl got a phat loot when he did whelp…
you don’t know the long-term effects when all pvp is done in t1ships using t2 mods only.

@FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER

This is how I’m reading this.

you’re reading it wrong? he spelled it out for you…
eve is not fun nor is it economical or “fun/hr” sustainable for alot of people who dont have deep knowledge of the game/a big fat CC#

@Jenna_Corinth

it appears that the impact of scarcity has leveled off to a ‘new normal’. That just means that whatever CCP was intending to have happen during scarcity has happened.

They have no intention of going off the scarcity, at best I guess they will have “2x bounty risk modifier weekend”
also, i doubt that.
caps/faction ships are still selling under the manufacturing cost, when they sell for manufacture cost +% … then it has leveled out.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Daichi_Yamato

So CCP came back again with the DBS/ESS and gutting null asteroid belts. Again the farming in null has to be curtailed in some way for the game to be healthy. But the null bears have rejected that too.

this is bs.
the money gained by 99% of carebears went str8 into the game/player driven market.
only 1% of “null carebears” are infact null tychoons that was/is hording and making an absolut trillion isk income off it all.

also pls note that these tychoons are not truley “null carebears” thay are the csm…? you know the guys that always say “vote for me cus i care about pvp”… i might be wrong… but anyways the tychoons, they want war and conflict to earn isk - they do not want a carebear zone.

those 1% should have been nerfed by an income tax bracket%.

@Daichi_Yamato

The same goes for all these QQ posts. Scarcity is a bitter pill to swallow, but it is still medicine. If this medicine makes you quit, it means you are the cancer CCP are trying to kill.

yeah, keep on believing that, you only prove to everyone that you are the one who don’t care about this game.
even the OP who have quit the game, cares about the longlivity of the game. otherwise he wouldn’t have made a thread about why he quit.

long story short; the medicine as you say,… yeah how to put this… “the cancer” that needs to be killed are 100% unaffected by the scarcity pill.
only the plebs/poors are effected by it.

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Hug_Motsu

there is no carrot only stick.

yes there is
is called pew pew
i had some fights today
not playing much ATM but pvp is always fun

[Hug_Motsu]

@tutucox_Khamsi

yes there is
is called pew pew
i had some fights today
not playing much ATM but pvp is always fun

yeah… me along with 80% of the playerbase of eve dont care much for pvp.

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Hug_Motsu

yeah… me along with 80% of the playerbase of eve dont care much for pvp.

yeah i forget there is a caste of inferior people in the game …

[Hug_Motsu]

@tutucox_Khamsi

yeah i forget there is a caste of inferior people in the game …

yeah, obviously your one of them

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Hug_Motsu

yeah, obviously your one of them

well… i did a lot of other activities in the game besides pvp
dont worry dude the warriors are usually in the top of the social pyramid in every society
you wouldn’t understand …

[Hug_Motsu]

@tutucox_Khamsi

dont worry dude the warriors are usually in the top of the social pyramid in every society
you wouldn’t understand …

are you talking about yourself? lol… dude… you play a computer game, your not a warrior.
please stop spewing your ■■■■ online and have a normal conversation without REEE:ing and QQing?

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Hug_Motsu

are you talking about yourself? lol… dude… you play a computer game, your not a warrior.
please stop spewing your ■■■■ online and have a normal conversation without REEE:ing and QQing?

i was just saying pew pew is fun
you came with passive aggression i decided to bust your balls
im a warrior in the game… you know? the fantasy , make believe, totally not real world of new eden

but since them I’ve being reading your post and you said

@Hug_Motsu

you should check your privileges

so im convinced you are a moron IRL to

[Hug_Motsu]

@tutucox_Khamsi

you came with passive aggression i decided to bust your balls
im a warrior in the game… you know? the fantasy , make believe, totally not real world of new eden

but since them I’ve being reading your post and you said

yeah, the fact that you actully belives “pew pew” in pixel spce = beeing a irl warrior… yeah ok.
the fact that you belive warriors are the one of the top of society… top level… lol… ok.
its not like irl-warriors are the one that is cannonfodder for white rich guys oil imperium or such.

whatever…
atleast im not coming in with this nazi attitude thinking im apart of some kind of superior-race.
im so tired of this toxic ■■■■ in eve forums…
always this ■■■■■■■ tideous nagging bitchery about “null carebears” vs the elitist pvp-players… really, grow the f, we both plexing customers and we should work togheter to make eve great again.