A Gentle Review From a New User

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@Kezrai_Charzai Thanks for the information about linking in this forum.

I was playing Star Trek Online (STO), which has more to do with running about on planets and stations than doing in anything space. Space travel from place to place is about the same here (long dull and boring) and the PvP is garbage. The space dogfights are on a thin 3D layer, the flight simulator is very limited, and you can’t move (up or down) at more than a 45 degree angle. STO is one of Cryptic’s games, where they allow the players to trade currency in a special market with a cap. I seriously cannot recommend STO to anyone, it seems to only exist for the fans of the show and movies.

As it was pointed out, the issue I see with Eve is Omega/Plex/ISK are too interchangable. I was talking to a Eve Online player in chat yesterday, discussing the Omega as a pay to win system. They said, it is not pay to win, it is pay to cheat. They admit having more than one Omega and they are allowed to multibox. Alphas would get banned for multiboxing. If this is true, I must agree with their opinion on this subject.

I do understand the old days of running monthly subscriptions are at an end. From my position CCP needs to sell virtual things that don’t get destroyed in combat. I know cybernetic implants only get destroyed with clone death, so if I win at PvP, I won’t destroy the pod. It would be bad sportsmanship.

Another problem with many players is attempting to separate these games from gambling. They state, “It is not gambling, if I don’t use real money.”. Within the US, each state carries the laws about gambling. The states that allow one to gamble, have an office called “The State Gaming Commission” not the Gambling Commission. Playing Monopoly with friends is gambling, you take a risk, you feel the loss, or get the winner’s rush. There is no distinction between playing for peanuts or cash.

Thank you for your advice.

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@Aisha_Katalen yes, I have found it far too simple to mine over the past few months. One can virtually AFK mine by parking a large cargo hauler (which I have seen) and walking away. I can’t say they were using a script or not. The Mammoth was parked in a 0.9 high sec asteroid belt. Assuming they mine veldspar at a very low rate, it could make them a few million ISK upon return.

If or when I mine, I go for the omber, kernite, etc. in low sec. I obtain my ventures are free from those dailies you spoke of, and the total cost is covered in the first shipment of ore. I know huffing gas pays out more, but it seems time consuming. I rather be getting my next destroyer built for fighting than mining. It seems the “help chat” is not too helpful, as the most common questions either, go unanswered or get a poor response in the game.

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one nice frigate to PVP costs like 10 million
a destroyer costs 20 million
a faction frigate about 27 million
fitted

you can grind 100 or 200 million and buy a few of these to start your PVP career

and some times people drop things like that , helps a lot to buy more ships

Captura de Tela 2022-12-23 às 01.41.08

besides trash t1 and t2 modules , today i sold 300 mil of them

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Actually bro, it is your opinion that you right. Not a fact.

The irony eh?

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I bet you are a lot of fun at parties.

:roll_eyes:

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Oohhh you are so cute, you don’t understand where you landed.

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It’s not the hand that you’re dealt but how you play with your cards, boy!

Thanks for the appreciation! I know that was a nod for me there.

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Wait till he lands on Broadway with a hotel :smiley:

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@Gix_Firebrand and @Aiko_Danuja

Game night these days is playing things like Forbidden Island, Betrayal at the House on the Hill, or a short session of D&D. Once in a while we dust off Monopoly, Risk, or Life. I am not against gaming (gambling) I take my wife to the casino once in a while and watch her throw away $50 while I drink free coffee… or maybe the coffee is $50 and the games are free?

@Mevatla_Vekraspek I know some players can get very toxic with PvP. If PvP causes one that much stress, they shouldn’t be playing it. For example; I just finished some Apex Legends ( EA’s free version of Overwatch ) and I use a headset. Some days my ears learn new bad grammar… I assure them my mother is long dead and I would not recommend their suggested course of action. Many of them sound much younger than 13 or 14 years old. But some sound like they are 30 or 40 and they are the worse of the crowd. It is hard to justify age by a voice when they are screaming, You suck! at the top of their lungs.

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I don’t now, i never played any other game, in Eve we’ll kill you, steal from you, backstab you and sacrifice your corpse to Bob, but we love you.

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My brother in Amarr Space Jebus,

You know the Monopoly money isn’t real right?

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No surprises here. CCP spent 15 years trying to coddle PvEers only to drive away their target market. The PvPers.

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@Gix_Firebrand
Gambling - noun: 1 the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.
2 the act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly.

Even if you deny the dictionary definition, everyone who plays any game does so to enjoy the win. Don’t tell me you play to lose, unless you are playing your 8 year old grand daughter and hate to see her cry. The gambling addicts ( personally I don’t agree with the terminology ) get hooked on the rush of winning. The reasons for others vary but include; risk taking, escape, social, glamour, and other enticements.

I always told my sons, the state lottery is a game for people who are bad at math. Many people play the stock markets, I do. It is a form of risking money, so therefore it is gambling. I am not a day trader, I investigate companies, I look at the news, and then I decide how much I want to risk on them. I do long term investments and get paid by dividends.

But not all gambling is done with cash.

Skydivers (extreme sports) are risking their lives when playing or participating in their sport. When you remove the uncertainty from it, the activity is no longer any fun. If you know when you are going to win and lose the game becomes as boring as playing tic-tac-toe.

@Bladewise I posted here about that very thing. The PvEers should stick with more gentle games. I read Overwatch is adding PvE content, I have no idea how or when. The PvP games are going nuts with PvEers whining about the lack of PvE content. As stated above, my wife plays Black Desert, the game already leans heavy on PvE. It is called open world PvP, but I found you need to be level 50 or higher to even start PvP. It is not about getting to level 50, that part you can do in a day or two. The issue is, none of them want to fight after going beyond level 50. They just continue farming and fighting the mindless AI mobs. When you attack and kill any PvE player, you risk losing gear and going to jail. So unless they are willing to fight back, you lose. My advice; Black Desert is for dressing dolls, decorating doll houses, fishing, and riding horses. My wife plays it with our grand daughter. If you allow your kids to play, mute and hide the chat box, it can get real toxic in there. Unless you want them asking you embarrassing questions.

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Yep.

Monopoly still ain’t gambling my dude :smiley:

No matter how many essays you write :smiley:

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These dictionaries are incorrect. Only these forum’s regulars are right. They are the reference points on everything from word definitions to social and religious issues. We new players are very fortunate to have access to such geniuses.
Get used to it. After all it’s EVE :smiley:

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This game is insanely complicated, and requires more reading and research than any game I’ve ever played. New players, even after going through the career agent missions, have no idea how to play the game at all. Without spending a week or more reading articles on eveuniversity, every new player is utterly clueless.

That aside, yes mining is boring, but some people just want to chill and make progress, and in most games, resource gathering is a good way to get started. In Eve, however, mining is the business of the rich, who can actually do it efficiently enough to make it worth doing. In the same way, Production is the business of the rich.

And PVP is the business of the rich who will have infinitely better gear than new players, or veteran players who will have double their stats just from skills. New players feel they can’t beat them so they just cling to hisec hoping to avoid them, mining with a venture or low level ratting for pennies because those are the only things they know how to do.

Eve just plain sucks for new players.

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The poker analogy only works if everyone gets the same number of cards, which is definitely not the case in EVE. It’s more like if you went to your friend’s house to play poker and they said, “Well I’ve lived here for 10 years so I get 10 cards, and I’ve known Jimmy for 8 years so he gets 8 cards, and you’re new so you get 1 card. Good Luck.”

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Isn’t it bad game design if a new player has to put in a large amount of effort to be able to derive enjoyment from a game? Surely the goal of the developers is to draw in players with easy entertainment then move them onto more risk for more reward with higher effort gameplay once they are playing.

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It’s not large amounts, it’s just more than, say, any WOW or Genshin Impact clone because those are on rails and protect and cuddle the player. You’d be surprised how many newbie questions could be answered with a basic “EVE starter guide for newbies” YT video that’s like 10 minutes long and those exists, tons of them. Yet a lot of people never bother which to me is super weird because when I start playing a new MMO (unless it’s JUST a story driven game) I’ll look up several guides, which takes a whole of like 30 minutes.

Investing 30 minutes into an MMO you’ve never played sounds like pretty much the minimal effort one could expect. The game is not the issue, the newbies are. Also, most “newbies” aren’t newbies, they’re alts pretending to be new and even this thread has a bunch of them.

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Right, well some players don’t want to look up guides. They don’t want to take a training course in how to play a game, they just want to play a game. They aren’t inferior just because they don’t go into a game with the idea that they are not only going to pay for the game but are going to have to study before they start just to make it worthwhile.

There are some gamers who do want to go into game like that, such as yourself, but if CCP is only building the game for people who don’t care if a game is entertaining right from the start then they have a serious problem.

I’m not going to get into an argument over alts vs new players because it’s pointless and can’t be proven one way or the other.

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