Then they are either playing the wrong game OR they have to accept that it’s going to be a more difficult ride.
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OK, so then they are playing the wrong game, so they leave. Problem solved, right? Hey new players, most of you aren’t welcome.
I assume then you aren’t going to complain when CCP keep implementing new ways for existing players to spend more on the game? Because if CCP aren’t getting more customers then their average revenue per customer needs to go up.
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You can stop trolling on whatever different account you’re using now. I’m not interested in having the same debate with alt #84567 which, magically, all have the exact same pov as previous alts whom we never hear from again.
Yes EVE is a niche game, Yes different games attract different kinds of people. No not all games are for everyone. That’s how it should be.
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Like I said, this discussion of alts is meaningless. You’re always going to accuse anyone that doesn’t say exactly what you want to being an alt.
I agree, not all games are for everyone. And if you are totally happy with CCP trying to draw more money out of the existing playerbase then that is fine, but you can’t simultaneously hold the view that CCP should avoid making changes to attract new audiences and that they should also avoid making changes that monetize existing players.
I personally don’t like pay-to-win transactions so I’d rather CCP attracted more varieties of players than have them keep trying to find ways to make us pay more because cosmetics only clearly isn’t holding true.
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Are you still pretending to not be an alt?
Do you honestly think anyone believes you?
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I’m not pretending to be or not be anything. There just seem to be some people here who are only interested in trolling. Please just stop.
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Yea I agree with Aiko. Stop whining please. It’s a PvP game, if you want bubble wrapped PvE go play No Man’s Sky or something.
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I haven’t whined. I haven’t called for bubble-wrapped PvE. Why do you find it necessary to gaslight and insult anyone that doesn’t say exactly what you want them to say?
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@Lontare_Solette while I do agree the acquiring wealth in the hundreds of millions is not forth coming, it can be done. There are some who will tell the new player to huff gas. That is easy to say but hard to do without the ISK and fleet support. I joined a mining guild on another character, they keep asking me to go moon mining and they keep all the profits. At the moment they are down for the holiday. I don’t see much benefit from joining the wrong crowd, and I haven’t seen the right crowd yet. I will give them more time before I decide to part or stay with them.
If you watch YouTube tutorials on gas mining, the skill is costly but I purchased it. Then you have to buy the gas miners for your venture those are not cheap either, I had to go into low sec to buy mine. After that you will need a ship to scan and search for a wormhole. More ISK spent there… then if or when you find this wormhole, you hope there is a gas site on the other side. You hope your newly fitted venture won’t get blown apart. It is a lot of dangerous work in ships that can barely protect themselves.
I use the following method to mine ores and make some ISK. Find a 4.0 or 3.0 system with a lot of kernite asteroids. Those you can look up within the game. Already all that hunting and searching is done. It helps if there is a dock in there. Not a player base, a neutral game dock. Get your venture fitted with shield extenders, one survey scanner, a decent engine, 2 drones, 2 miner lasers class 2, and miner upgrade.
Now here is a neat trick I learned. NPC’s ignore you in capsule. Search the belts for good kernite sites and mark them in your locations. When done go back with the venture scan find the big kernite and get to mining, keep hitting your Dscan (directional scan) any players pop up on Dscan warp back to dock. I get about 250K ISK per minute. If I mine 2 million (8 minutes) I head back to dock and dump it and return to mining. Only deploy your drones, when NPCs pop up (roughly every 20 minutes). As a rule of thumb, I will flee, if there are more than 2 or a boss shows.
Keep an eye on local chat, it shows you the number of players in the system. I have been in 3.0 systems all by myself. The only thing to watch for then is the NPCs. I get the ventures for doing the career quests. If they run dry, I have my other character do them, and send the venture to me in a contract.
Since most of the better ships alphas need for PvP are in the 300 million ISK range, about 21 hours spent mining in this fashion. If you can mine gas, it will shorten the time mining, but not the search or the risk. So yes, I do agree this is not easy to get into PvP without the ISK in hand.
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That explains it then, time to add to the bin
Also if you get whacked by sentinels you need to up your game.
Because their main intention is to disrupt, derail and ultimately lock thread topics they don’t like by personally attacking everybody who doesn’t agree with their viewpoint.
Whenever one of them starts a discussion (which is actually a hostile interaction) with someone who has a dissenting opinion, they call in their Discord buddies and alts to gangbang that person, constantly needle picking at every little thing, all done with the intention of chasing that person away. And if that doesn’t work, they then start spam flagging the posted replies.
Main issue with these forums, which you can clearly see in multiple threads, is that they constantly do that entire process ad infinitum until ISD finally locks the thread, thus accomplishing their original goal.
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Lots of folks do that but do understand it takes two to tango: there are some habitual disagreement posters here but both “sides” need each other in order for that to cause chaos. It’s also why I don’t do multiple back and forths and why I stay out of many threads and actually mute them, because it’s just chronic arguing.
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My first time punching a tree they got mad 
The irony of you saying this, to the dude who is actually attempting to do that LOL.
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wrong
i just logged and had a 10ish minutes eve online section
i picked my 26 million (fitted) navy frigate
jumped 1 gate
killed a catalyst … back home log off
30 million killmail
he dropped 12 milion
plus i got 3k LP for the kill
15ish million profit in few minutes ,not bad , doing a fun always available activity
you can do it in a venture no need for other ships
put a probe scanner in the miner , find a wormhole , pre scan the gas sites (they are the easiest anomalies to scam ) from a safe spot ( the NPC timer begins to tick only wen you enter the site sooooo enter to mine after having the scanning done )
mine the gas until the NPCs show up , 15/20 minutes usually ,bail , jump to other site , leave the wormhole with a cargo several times the value of your mining ship
if you die , you lost a near free ship and is not like there is lots of pirates lurking to kill a cheap venture in a dark and remote wormhole, to much trouble for nothing you know…
Once you get some upgrades they actually drop good stuff and you can just perpetually grind/chain them, would you really want to.
“Make progress” is often a trap mentality for new players who too often early in their career buy into the mentality that it means “making ISK”. This has some negative consequences when it comes to social behaviors: intolerance for risk, overly sensitive to loss aversion, greed.
Unfortunately they carry it forward with them and it leads them to becoming an elite vet that also thinks “making progress equals making ISK”, pulling up the ladder behind them, and squeezing out the next generation of newbies, completing the very cycle you’ve complained about. And they still usually carry those negative behaviors forwards.
My advice is to do what’s fun, and find like minded players who do that. Don’t be afraid to hop around as you discover better corps, more fun activities, and so on. As it’s an MMO, progress is the sum of “hard skills” and “hard items” on your character sheet and the soft skills of your relationships with people and soft-skills of your particular skill as a pilot.
There are pilots out there that have scary “soft skills” (the one not on a character sheet) and can take newb alpha accounts with low amounts of “hard skills” and can do wild things like get garmur kills with kestrels (I’m thinking of a particular incident, this isn’t a regular occurrence).
Happy holidays, hope you stick around and go on adventures.
Oh for sure heh.
I like the ones that burrow in de ground
One minute into the game, and they gave me an Astero. BRO 9/10 because it was damaged.
Also, HI!
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hi dude 