I find your good habits mendacious! Truly mendacious! And mendaciously true!
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I donāt know whatās tricky in slavery. It looks to me as pretty much archaic and primitive labor organization scheme, having just a master and a slave. Compare with corporate hierarchy, now that can get very tricky! Departments, managers, chairmen, executives, boards, and sometimes even secretaries start to wield more power over everyone elseā¦ I prefer military organization though. Not as primitive, and not so complicated. Ideal for executive operations.
You realize you can combine the two, right? That entire populations of slaves can be organized into whatever form of hierarchy you want? So you can have a full ācorporateā structure that just sticks āthe Holderā at the top.
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What Arrendis said. Slavery is usually organized as needed for efficiency. My parents were managers in their own departments, and the people I reported to for my work were usually slaves too.
The structure gets more simplified the less trusted the slaves are, so those who have only very recently been enslaved might be tasked with only very basic labor under a free slaver. But as the generations go on and your family proves your dependability, youāll be moved into more complicated work structures where youāre under the management of, usually, other slaves, who have their own slave bosses, each overseeing different departments and working alongside or under freedmen. Slaves make up about 50% of Amarrās population, so itās a significant part of our work force and thereās no way it could function adequately without a proper organizational structure.
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What I meant, Ms. Kernher, is that slavery defines only relation between the master and the slave. These organizational structures you are talking about, they arenāt defined by slavery, they are just used together with it.
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Not true. Slavery also defines the relationship between the slave and the state (small āsā), as slaves are accorded different privileges and legal protections than a free subject of the throne.
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But the state in the case of a slave is their master, the Holder. The central Imperial government is very hands-off with regards to matters of slavery, except for guaranteeing the right of a Holder to own slaves and some other small specifics (such as the procedures involved in enslavement or emancipation). The exact privileges and legal protections are determined locally by the owner.
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The very fact that the slave has no recourse to the laws and bodies that rule the Holder is a difference of relationship between the slave and the state.
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It is only different if you consider them to be legally a class of person that is treated distinctly from another class. Slaves are not legally people in Amarr. They are not recorded under census; they are reported as assets. This is why it is very difficult to get the courts to step in on cases of slave abuse, because in strict interpretations of Scripture any law that deals with personhood does not apply. If you harm a slave, you are legally doing harm to the person who owns the slave, not the slave.
So to clarify, the legal definitions pertain to the state and slavery as an institution, but not between state and slave. A slave isnāt legally a type of a person, with a body of laws distinguishing them from free people, they are a non-person.
Maybe this is pulling at hairs, but I wanted to be clear.
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Which is a different relationship between the slave and the state than the one between the subject and the state.
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Now, Ms Ruil. You know thereās no slavery in the State. You canāt just change the definition of slavery to mean whatever you choose for it to mean.
The kind of slavery being discussed is generational chattel slavery - not indentured worker contracts. These contracts have very legally defined clauses for termination on both sides and, in no way, apply to the children of workers.
Every worker has to apply for and accept a contract - the only people whose contracts are mandatory are prisoners.
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The State? But Mister Tuulinen, I was clearly setting the example with the Guristas office drones in mind. I meanā¦ Unless Y-4CFK became State sovereignty when I wasnāt looking! That would be super awkward for me, you know?
There are good slave masters out there, that are genuinely caring and have the best interest in the people under their rule. Most that Iāve personally met were Holders living in Amarr and there is something noble to them that Iāve come to respect over the years. Yet those are the first under fire when anti-slavery comes to topic, because they are subject to laws and are easy targets for scrutiny.
The kind of slavery people should despise, and rightly so, is absolute thralldom. And my only objection is the complete waste and mistreatment of human resources for no abject reason or gain. Heck, even I treat my drones better than some people of remarkable stupidity treat their own slaves.
Animal cruelty is also one of my pet peeves!
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You know, even after all this time, I have yet to see anyone else come up with a better idea.
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Thatās right! Itās been TWO WHOLE MONTHS and nobodyās solved a problem thatās lasted A THOUSAND YEARS.
Unreasonable expectations much?
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Or maybe it simply doesnāt have to be solved.
Maybe you could stop posting ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
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Maybe not. Because itās you, who should, since unlike you, I do talk to people and discuss problems, and your type of posts is justā¦
Well, everyone knows what it is.
Be gone, fool.
I disagree. You actively deflected and avoided my sincere questions that I made in an attempt to understand your position, and I feel as though I was part of a minority willing to give you that opportunity.
Madam Kim, you objectively do not talk to people and discuss problems. You create them out of your prejudices, and cannot give any quantifiable backing to said prejudices, making them - and you - vapid, nebulous, and ultimately inconsequential for any reason than to extinguish as an intrinsic threat to humanity comparative to the Drifters.
Though, Iād wager that the Drifters are the more honorable combatants, even despite their total lack of ethical construct.
EDIT: Moreover, I condemn those who gave you your pilotās license, for they are clearly bereft of even the basest form of ethical responsibility, having given the keys to the worldās most advanced weaponry to what is indisputably a thoughtless, moralless animal.
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Now, what are you talking about, fool?
I considered you a sensible person, I tried to answer to points you were bringing and explain my position. Did I miss any of them? I probably did.
But instead of bringing them again and asking a direct question, you write this lots of crap.
My flight license was issued by the State War Academy as to one of the best students. But who committed an atrocity and allowed YOU to touch that weaponry and crawl out to public, on the other hand, is a serious problem, that needs to be solved.
I am deeply sorry for wasting time on such nuisance as yourself and even trying to answer your āsincereā question (that I doubt anymore were sincere in the first place, consireing the bile you poison forums with). I hope you will disappear soon and your name will be forgotten.
With disgust and disappointment,
D. Kim, Strike Commander,
State Protectorate, CMC,
Caldari State
Well, despite all trolls attempts to disrupt the conversation, lets try to revive it.
Excuse me, Ms. Ruil, but what is the difference between a slave and a thrall?