Lol…it doesn’t get more dishonest than dragging my name into your argument with someone else that had nothing to do with me. That is dishonesty.
I have seen rare instance where Epeen had made a good point. This is not one of them.
But it can. 
I would like to partner with him in another game where fertilizer is a worthy commodity.
Thanks to everyone who participated in this thread, especially the idiots who reported me for having an opinion. 
Anyway, I’d like to give an important update on my gaming journey.
I’ve been playing Eve casually still. But since I’m still in the process of buying parts for my new PC, I’m playing on a toaster. Therefore I am playing “extremely casually”. The plan is to hop in on weekends and try and get some fights with my in game friend Wargon. We are not in a group as of yet but we are thinking of doing some old school Faction Warfare Roleplaying Type PvP.
As I said before I’ve been mainly gaming on a Series X because my current PC it absolute trash for gaming. I have to play Eve on the absolute lowest settings, and even then I suffer from performance-hindering lag if there’s more than 10 people on grid, and sometimes even if there’s nothing on grid, just jumping through gates or undocking can be a death sentence. Nevertheless I’m pushing forward.
But this is about my gaming philosophy in general and how I came to appreciate gaming from a different perspective. For a long time I was obsessed with Eve. In my opinion it’s the greatest game ever made, there’s never been anything else like it, and it doesn’t seem like there will be any time soon.
But before I started playing Eve, when I was a kid I used to play other games like Halo, COD, Elder Scrolls, Fable, Diablo, Borderlands, Fallout, etc.
Being limited to console gaming for the last several months, and playing on Game Pass reignited my interest in these old school type of RPGs, shooters, sandbox, survival, strategy and simulation games.
Most of my favourite games are at least a decade old, if not multiple decades old.
Most of you in this forum have probably noticed that the gaming industry is basically a dumpster fire right now.
Looking at these old games from a new perspective also led me to look at Eve Online from another perspective as well. I was always obsessed with PvP, competitive multiplayer, theorycrafting new and interesting ways to blow stuff up, etc. And while I still love that type of gameplay, I started to think about the things that originally got me interested in Eve. Damn near 20 years ago, when I was around 12 years old, I first heard about this game called Eve, where you could supposedly do whatever you want, be an asteroid miner, be a pirate, etc.
This game was one of the first games that felt a truly living and breathing universe, where you could go anywhere, do anything - but it was more than that. It was the art style, the lore, the background stories, the music - Oh God, the music. The music in this game is incredible, magical and timeless. The nostalgia I have for the Empyrean Age theme playing as you boot up the Eve client is pure bliss, heaven.
I’ve been gaming with my daughter as well, and teaching her the ropes. I suppose this also helped me look at things from a different perspective, because if it wasn’t for her, I never would’ve played Minecraft. I never would’ve played Goat Simulator. But I had to learn to go back and enjoy these types of games again. Games where you just make your own fun, enjoy the little things, explore, experiment, and yeah, we still blow stuff up in those games too.
Point being, as has been said a million times already, there’s still nothing like Eve. But if you learn to appreciate Eve within the broader scope of gaming you learn to realize that there are other great games out there as well, even if they don’t offer the same exact thing as Eve.
Some people in this thread were suggesting No Man’s Sky. Well I’ve been playing No Man’s Sky, online, co-op with my friends, and it’s an absolute blast. There’s not much else like it. What a groundbreaking game! Especially considering its disappointing release at the time, the comeback they made has been absolutely incredible, with constant free updates. This game just casually drops 10, 15, and 20+ Gigabyte updates on you out of nowhere, completely overhauling the game, adding new planets, biomes, ships, etc. The game handles and plays flawlessly.
It’s like Star Citizen if Star Citizen was actually a finished game that was actually released. 
But in all seriousness I will be playing SC as well.
Anyway, there are all types of games out there and I just wanted to let you guys know that I’ve come to appreciate them for what they are. Fable is a childhood classic that still holds up. Elder Scrolls, Dragon, many of these games have great things to offer.
And I can admit when I’m wrong, so I’ll say it - I was wrong. Maybe some games can compare to Eve, they just do it in their own way. And not everything needs to be Eve, and PvP isn’t the end-all, be-all.
Shoutout to the Mechwarrior games as well.
1 Like
I mean, that game was never really alive, it was a passion project that never gained any actual traction
Its also a blockchain game so i expect there to be something in there that is going to end up killing it off
1 Like
Perpetuum surprisingly has a tiny but actually pretty active playerbase. It even just got a big update a few months back introducing some new Mechs and whatnot.
Technically it’s the closest thing to a true Eve clone there is. The UI and combat are almost copy-pasted from Eve. The Mechs get bonuses for different weapon types/tanking types just like in Eve. The weapons follow a similar tracking formula just like in Eve. You have to lock on to targets and activate weapons which hit enemies based on tracking/range, etc.
There are armor repairer, plates and modules that make you go faster.
It’s a pretty good game, however my issue with it is it’s so outdated that it makes it annoying to play. There’s also not nearly enough variety in different setups like there is in Eve.
closest thing to eve is real life
2 Likes
Yup. Real life is the best open world free-form MMO sandbox game. You can craft, mine, explore, build, experiment, blow stuff up, recruit companions, lots of romance options as well and unlimited character customization.
As for Eve Frontier. I’m not super excited about it, nor do I completely dismiss it. A lot of people are overly excited for it. In my opinion the game can never and will never compare to the OG. However if it does turn out to be actually good, then I may play it alongside Eve.
It’s still in alpha and they already have $80 USD vanity packs for sale. It’s CCPs version of Scam Citizen…
Yeah. It kind of annoys me how many people are all “excited” about Frontier. Like really? The simple fact that the game’s entire “thing” is that it’s based on real money trading… should be a red flag. That simple fact alone should make people highly skeptical. The entire point of the game is RMT.
They could have chosen anything to base the game on and they chose that. Yet people still buy into the hype.
1 Like
Frontiers is going to bomb harder than Hiroshima. Now, had they released an actual EVE 2.0 with a new server, new systems, new ships, and a fresh start for everyone, that would have sold like hotcakes…
1 Like
Long story short, you don’t re-invent the wheel. You don’t change what already works. All they had to do was expanded upon and improve the money-producing cash cow that they already have.
1 Like
I am cautiously optimistic about Frontiers. So many times I have seen what could have been a great idea. Go off the rails and become a trainwreck. But yeah, I have yet to really find a game that comes close to an open world where it truly dangerous to be anywhere.
Playing Eve online takes a mindset that is willing to go out and take a chance. Sometimes for a great reward.. And sometimes coming home empty handed and having to get a new ship.
A great number of players want to be entertained, challenged, and beat the big bad. All without the danger of maybe something jumping you either coming or going to the quest.
I am not all that much on PVP. I do not seek it out as a general rule. But am always prepared to either fight or run as the case might be.. Mainly running.. LOL
A game like Eve has an atrocious turn over rate among new players. Some get turned off because it is a brutal unforgiving game. That even when doing everything right. Another player can mess up your day. For every new player like myself that stays after the first few hours, days, or weeks, There are more than a few that do not.
A game such as Eve is a hard sell to players. That have an expectations of their toons not dying simply for walking into a public area. Watching their ship get one or two shotted. Blowing up in a fireball can be somewhat disheartening. Especially when the new player does not even know where the shots came from.
But if Frontiers does work out. I may check it out. Though I have a reservations on the whole blockchain/crypto aspect. I do not have any faith in something that does not have a real world counterpart. But that is just me.
There’s a simple solution for that, one that I have suggested many times. Give new players a series of 30 or so systems, separate from the rest of the EVE galaxy. No non-consensual PvP allowed, and learn the ropes at your leisure. The caveat is that nothing from inside those systems can ever enter into the actual game world, and nothing from the game world can ever enter those systems. That’s the only way to keep it from messing with the actual in-game economy. While in those systems, players would earn a currency that is not ISK, and would only be spendable inside those starter systems. It would be worthless outside of them.
1 Like
New players are not innocent little lambs that need protection.
4 Likes
You guys just went way off course. Eve Online is NOT as unforgiving as people make it out to be.
If you want to be a peace-loving carebear in this game, you can go it with 99% invulnerability if you follow basic safety procedures. Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose, stick to high-sec mostly, use fast cloaky ships for travel, learn how to avoid dangerous areas, learn how to escape gate camps, or again, just stay in high-sec where you’re literally 99% invincible with a little bit of pre-planning.
1 Like
No, it isn’t. But the current generation of gamers have paper-thin skin and the attention span of a toddler on crack…
2 Likes
They also tend to repeat the same mistakes countless times then conclude that "the game is broken and unfair" and ragequit instead of learning, adapting and becoming better. 
5 Likes