You increase subscription by offering a carrot and a stick. In this case both of those are the Alpha limitations. You seem to be trying to say that giving everything away will somehow increase subscribers. I don’t see how that makes any sense. The goal is to get people excited to subscribe to see benefits.
You’re right. It honestly doesn’t matter if you are Alpha or Omega- mining is a terrible way to make income. I am a miner- I build things for myself and my corp, but it is not my main source of income by any measure. A barge or command ship will not fix that. You can make much, much more money as an Alpha doing other things than an Omega mining.
I don’t understand what you are saying here. If you are saying that PLEX can be used for subscriptions, that is correct. This means that people are trading their time (ISK) for money (PLEX). In either case, CCP gets paid. What you seem to be saying is that you want the benefits without PLEX or money. That’s my problem here. Find other ways to make ISK to you can get PLEX and subscribe, pay to subscribe, or live with the Alpha restrictions.
If you are saying that you cannot get enough ISK for PLEX that is a different issue. A mining barge will not fix that because mining will never make you enough money- you have to do other things. Here is an example of one pilot who made this work:
MINING, on my account with MINING BARGE 20 days, earn ISK 1.300.000.000
which means that in a month you will collect for omega and you will still have a little to stay with them. I would like to say that alpha will always work for Omega and that PLEX players will always have someone to sell. I’m sure this will increase the demand for PLAX and the game will have higher earnings
So basically you use all the money you make in a month to get a PLEX and then start again next month? What happens if you lose your ship?
I’d suggest finding something that makes you more ISK/h. Otherwise your are going to burn yourself out of the game with that amount of farming.
I hear exploration pays quite well even for alphas
So pay for one month, get the skills, make the money to PLEX the next month, and enjoy doing nothing but sitting in asteroid belts every second you are in the game. If that’s why you like, then that’s fine- I never tell people how to play the game- if they have fun, that’s enough for me. But I think you will get burnt out after a while.
So, here are the options I have now given to you in this thread:
Pay for one month to get the skills and ISK and PLEX from then on.
Stay an Alpha and use a battleship to mine with a fleet
Look for other opportunities and activities to make ISK to support your Omega state
Pay for a subscription and be done with it
4 options that will make you happy, will make other subscribers happy, and will not harm the game or economy. The choice as to which you want to do is yours.
Option 5 is to not do any of these, insist that you need a barge as an Alpha, and continue to be unhappy. In that case, there is nothing I can do to help you.
Let me see if I’ve got this right…
You don’t have anything against others paying for the game… YOU just don’t want to pay for the game, but you want the perks of those who do pay.
There is more harm than good in letting Alpha accounts access barges.
That’s because - and excuse the bluntness - you’re doing it wrong.
First - if you have the luxury to play 8-9 hours a day, then you could be earning enough to pay for an account. If you’re just ‘in-between’ jobs, and most of us have been there at some point, then you must understand your plight is temporary. Suck it up until you can afford the subscription.
If you’re not old enough - or otherwise incapable of earning the money to pay for a subscription, then your other option is to earn the ISK in game. I will repeat that you will likely NOT earn this amount trying to mine in HS in an Alpha state. You might earn enough in Null. Even if they don’t want your very fine mining frigate you can always haul for them.
In reality though, you would want to temporarily look to do something more lucrative like exploration. Find a non mining way to earn the ISK, and once you’ve PLEXED, you can go back to mining.
Changing the whole game to meet your temporary problem pushes into the realm of the absurd.
I’ve never lost ships because I’ve always been protected by players who play combat ships, so that’s not a problem and it’s easy to escape. and I also say that nearly 300,000,000 ISK per month is left out when it is played, but when you are in the fleet, your earnings increase
You think that if the alpha is allowed to operate BARGE and ORCA that the game will lose its subscribers. I think I told you that other players who have money will have more clients in connection with PLAKS and therefore players who have money to buy PLAKS. And so I think that mining is a very safe way of collecting ISK!
Even if a ship is lost, it will not be a problem to buy again
CCP loses a benefit to entice more players to subscribe
The market becomes overwhelmed with more ore and materials and depresses the market
This causes the industry market to compress because things become cheaper to make and buy
The cost of creating a bot fleet goes to $0 because people can create massive swarms of free accounts that can mine huge amounts of materials using VPNs, VMs, and multiple clients
This cycle of market collapse continues
The game collapses
None of us have anything to complain about anymore because EVE ceases to exist.
You are refusing to look at the broader reason of why this restriction is in place. It is not there to be mean to you- it is there for specific reasons that impact the game.
You did not understand me and you do not watch cheeses.
I explained in detail that for OMEGA needs PLAX that players can only buy from people who pay for the game when PLEX disappears, no one can buy it for the ISK but for money
@Nikola_Dukic
you can buy plex for isk in many stations anywhere in eve
you can buy plex for real money and use it to get omega
you can buy plex for isk on the market in eve and get omega
you can buy plex for real money and sell it for isk on the market
but
you can buy a subscription to get omega with real money . 1 month, 3 months, 6 months or 12 months … more months less real money and every few months you get a discount too …
in the end a 12 month subscription is cheaper then buy plex from ccp
I don’t care how they pay their servers and their people. I just don’t. That is their problem. There are multiple ways to monetize a game that generates enough revenue, they will find out one that works.
What I’m concerned with is that the game is actually worth playing from the perspective of a new player if they see the state EVE is in now which just screams pay2win directly into their faces from every angle.
You have not followed everything.I say that there are players who are not able to pay each month.
and that players should be allowed to use the mines as a way of earning ISK in order to pay PLEX and again I say that it does not reduce the payment in the game
I agree with you this is an exaggerated way of p2v.
I’m just trying to find people who can not pay every month to have a chance to play. This will not affect monthly subscriptions and payments to the account of the game. Is it just a chance to sell PLAX instead of OMEGA
CCP limited those skills outside of the alpha-state as people would train just enough to be effective miners and then do it for free, funneling the ISK to their mains.
Some players buy Plex with real money. Then then sell it on the market for A LOT OF ISK to use ingame.
If ISK is easy to come by by mining, they wouldn’t have to pay money for it, right?
Players can buy PLEX from the market. I think it’s about 1.5b ISK they need for 500 PLEX (each month).
Imagine you need to make 50 mil a day (on average). Is that too much? It’s an effort but not impossible. Mine each day 1 hour and do maybe 8 (4 per day) in the weekend. That’s 13 hours per week, times 4 is 52 hours of dedicated gameplay where you mine 28 mil ISK per hour. That’s not easy but it’s not hard either as you’ll get some ISK from killing the NPC pirates too.
Or work 2 hours every evening (30x2=60) before going to sleep and you only have to make 25 mil/hour. You still have some time left to play other things. Also set up invention, research, produce things, … you can make items as Alpha and get a bunch of ISK passively. Or just hang out with some of the players that are handing out advise as they been around and know how to get good amounts of ISK.
Why do people buy PLEX? To save time ingame so they don’t have to make ISK. Will they buy PLEX if ISK is easy to make for themselves?