Then, how you even learned that they exist?
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They wipe out all the structures in an area. Kind of easy to spot even if you’re not the one fighting them.
And the answer to Xuex’s question?
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The longer this goes on, the more realizations.
For example, if you pay for your account, and you get ganked or whatever by alphas, you are basically a paying customer getting had by freeloaders. You are paying to be someone else’s entertainment. And with no monetary investment by that someone else, there is no way to determine if their motivation is to play the game the way it was designed, or simply single people out for victimization - and at zero cost.
I don’t care how much Stockholm Syndrome CODE. propaganda an induce, normal people are not going to pay to be someone else’s victim. Period.
There is not going to be any level of gaslighting around this. It’s wrong for free accounts to have an open and free safety button in highsec. All that “hurr durr” about content and how others play - and maybe deserve to be ganked or something - falls flat when the aggressor has not paid in. Freeloaders getting a say, if the “say” is playstyle and how you treat other players, is wrong. Nobody is going in invest in such a game, unless they are mindless krabs perhaps.
Where “democracy” concerns here on a metaphorical level beyond mental gymnastics of deadbeats ganking people is even simpler: how long does it last when people who don’t pay taxes and/or are a drain on a system still get to vote and affect change?
So how long does a game last when people who don’t pay to play it get to perform actions that affect other players?
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And, certainly, nobody would ever lie about their personal interest in a matter like this in an attempt to come off as credible.
Especially not with a brand new forum alt.
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Omega is pretty well advertised as full access to the game, including all skills and ships and faster training. None of that changes when you die.
The issue of freeloaders v paying customers is made up by you. CCP don’t distinguish in that way and you lose none of your omega rights in the process of pvp. None.
Carebears going to cry though as usual.
CCP say different.
Anti-pvpers lose as usual.
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This is only true if you’re a helpless perma-victim who views every instance of PvP as suffering that must be avoided at all costs. If you are the sort of player who belongs in EVE then you are also having entertainment in this situation and you understand the necessity of risk.
Also, how do you know that the player who ganked you was an alpha? How can their account status possibly influence your enjoyment of an event?
And with no monetary investment by that someone else, there is no way to determine if their motivation is to play the game the way it was designed, or simply single people out for victimization - and at zero cost.
What “way the game was designed”? Highsec PvP against non-consenting targets has been part of the game since day one. Where are you getting this idea that anyone is playing the game in an unintended way?
normal people are not going to pay to be someone else’s victim. Period.
Then “normal people” don’t belong in EVE and can go back to WoW.
So how long does a game last when people who don’t pay to play it get to perform actions that affect other players?
Good point. We need to ban all mining, industry, missions, etc, done by alpha accounts because it is unfair that they can perform actions which affect other players without paying for an account.
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Nicolai articulates himself better than the vast majority of forum posters here. There is absolutely no mistake on which side his bread is buttered, no mincing of words, just straightforward and honest opinion. Many posters here could learn a great deal from him.
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You didn’t get the joke. Can’t blame you, only smile.
The way alpha accounts are limited at this moment ensures that the game and its “paying” player base are not affected negatively - mostly via the economy in a broad sense and by t1 hull limitations via skill and SP limits. Yes, they can get into tornadoes and camp gates, and they can get shot down doing it.
“Illegal” activity in hi/lowsec is allowed by design but carries consequences. The demo that is alpha status falls under the same sandbox rules to allow for the same experience. If an alpha wants to go rogue, well that is part of the existing play styles in New Eden. That alpha pilot will fit right in.
On a side note, targeting particular user groups is most probably against the EULA, even IF one would be able to identify alpha from omega - which no one can, fortunately and hopefully never will, judging from some amazing posts here.
If you play long enough you will know of people who do not pay for any of their omega accounts, because they can plex them via grinding. I guess you’d call them “freeloaders” too, not paying, not “contributing” ?
All this doesn’t mean I particularly like the whole alpha concept, but on the other hand you don’t make a demo of a chess game and only allow pawns to be used by one side.
And I’ve posted it before, if OP suspects abuse of alpha accounts, via biomassing or w/e to avoid clear rules or as an exploit, he/she should file a ticket with Support.
You should come up with better jokes. This one was so bad nobody recognized it as one.
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Yeah, it was late when I wrote it, I’m guilty. Next time with more feeling
AYPABTU definitely looks like alpha only corporation though at least one guy is definitely omega (or become omega recently)
There is however no proof or hint that that this is one guy or few guys multiboxing many alpha alts. And if it is not and all those chars have a real player behind them I think it is admirable that someone was able to make alpha-based corporation do some real content not just pve or mining in ventures. If you believe it is multiboxing and have a can back it up with (perhaps their behavior in combat/bashing) then you should report that to CCP.
The other corp can easily be omega. They only fly catalyst and it doesn’t seems that they do anything other than ganking miners. There is also no proof it is multibox although it is somewhat more probable. But again this could easily be an omega accounts and alts for the job. Even if this was really alpha clones doing the ganking, again if it is not multibox then there is no problem - on the contrary it is admirable. If it is multibox and alpha clones then that itself is bannable so there is no problem.
And the original argument was that alphas are used for ganking and biomassed. These corps are not doing that at least.
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Lol, seriously. You just sound like one of this creepy old men who make up some BS reasons to justify jelling at certain groups of people he doesn’t like.
You did not address anything others said and just repeated the same baseless shite from before.
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And yet…
Says you…
But by your definition alpha players shouldn’t be allowed to use the market, or mine rocks or run anoms or pvp at all because:
So just remove alphas basically.
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Why do you need to be alpha to reroll a toon?
How do you know the person that ganked you yesterday isn’t the same person that ganked you today?
Same omega account, rerolled toon, different name.
How can you prove that I’m the same person and I’m rerolling toons to dodge the security status?
Anyone can reroll any toon at anytime for whatever reason they choose.
Can also have multiple omega accounts dedicated to toons rerolling and ready to be discarded.
Your alpha account ganking theory is non sense.
Why would anyone do it with alpha accounts if you can do it with omega? You don’t reroll accounts, you reroll toons, security status is attached to toons, not accounts.
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My fiancee started playing Eve about a month ago. She became interested after listening to me and a mutual friend talk about the game… which has dragged me back into Eve (I swore I was over the addiction).
She went to an emerging conduit and got her ship blown out from underneath because she wasn’t ready for that level on content (she didn’t know what they were). She then went back to the location to salvage her ship (dumb, asking for another ship loss) and found a Rattlesnake cleaning it out. The wrecks were just sitting there. So she salvaged the wrecks as the snake was just sitting there. (I was so proud of her when she told me she did this)
So now she has some decent loot to sell. She loads it up on her cargo ship and sets a course for one of the 4 trading hubs. She fails to notice she was going into low sec for a jump or two. She got ganked and lost her pod too.
Do you know what she did? She sucked it up and went back to playing Eve. Of course, she talked to me about what happened and we went over what to do when that stuff happens to at least save her pod. Still, she didn’t complain, she learned and went on with the game. She didn’t come on the forums to whine…
Yes this was a low sec kill vs. suicide gank. But there are thing even an alpha can do to prevent this ■■■■ from happening. I’d suggest asking how to prevent it rather than whining about it
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And how you suppose it can happened if you need some training to make a ganking character?
Alphas get 1kk SP which allows you to be ready to suicide by a click FOR FREE!!!
You cant reroll toon with same frequency without buying SP.
Well off the top of my head, saving up Skilling Spree and Event SP. I have quite a few brain donors making me isk from them. They could just as easily be used to gank, drained and then recycled.
But there is literally no point in it.
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You need extractors for this.
And you need at least 5kk SP to use it
And?
If I was wanting to recycle my slaves, why wouldnt I have these?
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