Alphas were made to create content and be content. They weren’t created to enable botting.
Ganking ships in groups is one example of creating content. It’s not botted.
Farming missions alone is not content creating and it had serious botting problems.
And i was against level4 sec missions being taken away from alphas.
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What exactly are you trying to fix by moving suicide ganking behind the paywall and removing options from alphas without replacement?
I don’t know of a single regular ganker who uses an alpha account for that. But I know of a few people that got hooked to the game because they could join ganker fleets as an alpha and experience first hand that they can be a part of something with impact even from the start.
Do you really think this game becomes more attractive by making if more boring for no good reason?
Removing options from alphas is a good thing by itself, even if no other goal is achieved. Buy the game if you want to play.
I never played as alpha bra. I don’t pay them anything though. Not anymore. I would be fine with subscription only, but not with micro transactions on top.
The first lesson to learn in EVE is that there is no such thing as Hi-Sec. It’s High Security in name only. Treat the entire game as Null
What makes no sense about the people complaining so hard about pvp in hi, is they do not seem to realize they can pvp back. A lot of people who gank in hi also get ganked doing other things on other toons, its just how it works. You could complain you died or learn to have fun with it.
Also many of the best gankers use the same toon, they have a lot of notoriety -10sec status and continue to gank. There is no real need to delete a ganker for low sec status, it makes no sense at all. If people really want to protect themselves from ganks, they should read minerbumping, befriend a ganker, and learn how its done. You dont have to DO it to learn how its done. Once you know, it becomes very hard to be ganked.
Believe it or not, gankers are just other humans sitting behind a computer playing a video game, and while some may be total jerks (honestly true of any people anywhere) many are nice people who actually will help you if you engage them in polite conversation, ask them what you could have done to avoid being ganked etc. I sometimes bump people and gift them something if they are not afk and respond politely to conversation. It pays not to react like a jerk, since it could end up being you who are the only jerk in the conversation.
Such mental gymnastics. This is why democracy is going to kill the west like it killed Greece.
So are you saying other players should pick themselves up by their bootstraps?
So if ganking is so great, it should be paid for, like a lot of other things. Fair is fair.
And since when do you suddenly care about the game and newbros?
What part of that is mental gymnastics? All of the things I said are absolutely true.
Mission farming does not create meaningful content. Missions are almost always done solo, so interaction with other players is minimal. And going from level 3 missions to level 4 missions certainly doesn’t create new content, as the actual gameplay is exactly the same and the only difference is the ISK per hour for the person farming them. The closest thing to an argument for content creation is that maybe the alpha will use their farming ISK to go do something besides level 4 missions, but nothing about the situation creates incentive to do so.
Suicide ganking does create meaningful content. Whether or not you like ganking it indisputably is a significant interaction between players. Someone goes home with loot, someone loses a ship and has new enemies to hate, and various third parties get involved to assist or attack one of them. This is a textbook definition of content creation, content that would not exist without the alpha player(s) involved.
Suicide ganking can’t be level gated like missions. There’s no equivalent of level 1-4 agents, where alpha accounts can simply be unable to access the highest tier(s). You’d have to come up with some way, which will almost certainly be disputed in a million different ways, for evaluating the “level” of a gank target and change the safety settings to prevent the alpha player from engaging anything too high in “level”. That just doesn’t seem like a viable concept.
So, three statements in the post you quoted, three indisputably true facts. Which one exactly are you complaining about?
I don’t necessarily agree with Herzog, but I like the way he thinks. Ganking is the premier Eve content.
Show me on this doll where the alpha ganker touched you…
Everyone should have gank alts and increase the turnover of assets. It is a pvp game. Sink or swim carebear
Thats a funny way to spell Rome
I already said what I think about all of that. Not sure why you thought just repeating your weak point from before will advance the conversation. Maybe go back and read again what I wrote and then think about it. If you still can’t figure out an actual answer I don’t see a reason to continue this conversation.
You live in the US right? I don’t think you experienced democracy yet.
It was the sequel that killed it. Danny & Sandy was a great love story and they should have left it there but no, like a fore-runner of the current dross coming from Hollywood they had to make a terrible second film.
Oh sorry, that was Grease.
As you were.
There is one hisec group/alliance who uses Alpha’s exclusively for suicide ganking and also for destroying structures. According to CCP alphas were not intended for this.
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98589532/ alpha ganking corp
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99007715/ alpha structure killing corp
It’s the same players using alphas for both the suicide ganking group and the structure killing group. If they wish to play the alt game to wage war on players in hisec, they should have to pay the extra subscription like everyone else.
In my opinion, a solution to this would be to add a new safety level - alpha safety. Alpha cannot suicide gank, it won’t let them initiate it. If they are in a corporation that is at war, they will simply not be considered as contenders in the war. Nor can they remote repair from safety, the rules will apply as if they are not in the war.
There’s a plus side to this too, genuine new players on alpha accounts in a corporation that is war decced can’t be slaughtered because they are not considered part of the war.
Next itll be “ban them from ninjing”
Either give em something or just pull the damn thing again.
Q: Won’t suicide ganking using free characters be a major problem?
A: We don’t think clone states will have much impact on suicide ganking or other harassment in high-sec.*
Alpha clones are being used exclusively by a certain alliance to harass players via suicide ganking and via war with their alpha war dec structure grinding alt alliance. So contrary to what CCP said about alphas when they were introduced, alphas are in fact having a major impact on suicide ganking and other harassment in hisec.