Bigger isn’t better. Instant gratification and direct access to expensive stuff is first step for people to quit. Have you seen how long it takes to learn how to fly basic T2 ship?
Basic frigates and destroyers give all kinds of content for months. Both PvP and PvE. People don’t want to “catch up”. They looking only at isk/h.
Well, then you suck as teacher. Since you didn’t explain him that he don’t need shinny stuff. I wonder if he gonna come back when he will lose ~40 mil covop frig or worse. 100mil+ astero
problem isn’t with game. But with people skipping steps. Just to fail.
tl;dr: They will not stop selling ships in the money store, but they will try to launder them trough the industry system, so it’s all fine now and they hope they can get away with it this way.
Oh and it’s of course all for the childrennew players, so you can’t be against it. It’s immoral to pick apart a reason given if it’s stated to be intended for the benefit of childrennew players! It means you hate childrennew players and that makes you a bad person!
It sounds ridiculous when you write it this way and this could drive away new players if they read this. Please describe it in the future as “offered as an option to players who value their time”, or we are ruining CCP’s new business model, which is based on a polished store front instead of a good game.
I mean they don’t even pay their forum moderators (ISD) and customer relations consultants (CSM). It seems people are competing with each other already to work for free for that company.
The game is incredibly hard to balance. I’d like to see logon skill bonus scale with SP of character.
Help the new bro’s catch up a little faster. And keep them logging in.
I support the sale of a fitted mining barge. It is simply ridiculous to expect that eve online would not change with the rest of the industry, even a little. It’s still a company, and they need paying players in order to exist.
I think all of us can agree that we prefer eve online to remain in existence, yes?
So either recruit friends and family, stream, make youtube videos, or whatever. bring people in. Until then, and probably even then, there will be options for spending money.
A fit barge, selling small amounts of sp, skill injectors and extractors, and cosmetics will not break the game. There is no draw for new players if there is no way for them to compete with older players. While that is true in most of life, and still remains true in eve online, that means anyone just coming in is at a distinct disadvantage.
I should think that the player base would stop complaining about every little change and maybe think about the long term survival of this game we cherish.
If the price of that is to watch it turn into this disaster? No. I’d prefer it bowed out while it had some dignity left.
A lot of players in this day and age won’t get the experience of training battleship 4 to 5. Every, single, agonizing skill point of it. They won’t get the appreciation of the improvement of that last level, or so many others like it. Simply buying your way to skills is exactly detrimental to the long term survival of this game, because there are soooooo many others out there that you can do the exact same thing and let’s be honest, they look and play a whole lot more ‘fun’ than Eve. Eve can’t compete in that realm, there are too many issues in the base code that this team of developers utterly lack the skills to fix.
you’ve been able to buy your sp for years now. hasn’t killed the game yet.
The issue you’re facing that I’m not is that you’re looking at old eve vs current. Yes, a sense of accomplishment is good, but if you want any new players you have to adapt to the general gamer population. A 2nd job video game isn’t viable for the majority of people, especially right now.
As for the battleship skills, marauder is the go to for most people.
As for other games having pay to win methods, eve doesnt. You cant pay to win. Even if you have 300m sp, you can be killed by a good pilot with 20m sp. The disadvantage comes in being able to fly the ships you might want. Spending years to do so isnt viable anymore. It’s really never been viable, thats why eve has never been a mainstream game. Even bitter vets dont like it, unless it’s time to talk down on newer players.
It is, however, an assumption, and an incorrect one at that. Catering to the lowest common denominator will not keep a game like this one alive. Trying to make this a ‘mass appeal’ game will not make players flock to it.
You have the general sentiment of the importance of ability vs raw SP correct, but you’re also somehow failing to acknowledge that Eve does* have p2w methods. It does. They may not be so blatant as dabbing the 2 key in World of Tanks, for example, but what you’re putting forward here that ‘oh well, I don’t like waiting on a ship so it’s okay for CCP to sell it to me’ is that. Maybe your 300m sp raven will still die to a 20m sp dude in a catalyst but, but me being able to buy, inject, and then hey, buy the ship too, from CCP a fleet of accounts to do ‘insert thing’ is definitely me paying for a major advantage.
As for your assertion that veteran players don’t like it unless it’s time to talk down to new players, well, hey, if that’s how you operate, I guess you do you. But don’t project your own behavior onto me.
evidence suggests otherwise.
Making entry easier means more player retention. Ignore the current gamer culture, and you fade into oblivion, like so many others. Eve needs newer players that arent as risk adverse as veterans. This is why eve has stagnated. Hard entry, too many gatekeepers, and then the current playerbase.
Having an advantage of alts is not pay to win. I have a ton of alts, and unlike charlie sheen, I am not winning. That is beside the fact that alts don’t mean a whole lot unless you’re really good at switching between alts and maintaining them in battle. Things like eve-o do make that easier, but you’re not going to defend sov by yourself with just your own alts, for example. same with wormholes.
My assertion that bittervets dont like it unless it’s time to talk down on players is not how I operate. I’m not even considered a veteran player compared to bittervets. Feel free to jump around corps and get a taste of how the bittervets operate and talk. I’ve done so. I’ve been in every major alliance in eve online for the last 5 years. Just like buying clothes, I like to try things out before I consider dedication.
Also, don’t make this a you vs me thing. It isnt. I don’t know you or care about you, just as you don’t about me.