Asset safety is broken

You’re not supposed to move them to an NPC station.

You’re allowed to move them to any station. As such is the cost depended on the distance and not the type of station.

You only want it to be an NPC station, but when there isn’t any then you’re simply out of luck.

How dare you!
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Edit: nvm idc

You are simply wrong. Posting on the forums is not the most effective way. But if you keep bringing up the issue eventually CCP will pick it up. This is how freighters eventually ended up with fitting slots. I literally posted about it every day for weeks way back when. And the story was excactly the same, you had literally everyone replying telling me how wrong i was, and how bad of an idea it was. But if you just keep posting, eventually you will reach CCP which is all that matters. The rest of you are pretty much just trolls. Have a nice day.

the cheapest structure is what 700m? go put one of those down and recover stuff in system. If that’s too hard consider paying the 15%.

I came expected arguments that citadels should drop 100% loot. Left dissapointed.

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Well i can sign on to that. Any upwell structure in 0.0 should probably drop all the stuff inside. But in empire and perhaps low-sec there ought to be a asset safety system. If the structure was in low-sec it could cost 15% to recover the assets, if the structure was in empire it could cost ~0.5%. Bye.

It’s fine if you think it [should] operate differently. But “doesn’t work the way I want it to” != “broken”

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Assets safety is concord sayin “we understand you don’t know how to play so for a small fee here’s your stuff you shoulda lost”

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It’s working quite fine only judging by OP’s response. His loss is truly deserved. Fist bump to CCP. :fist_right::fist_left:

It should be as easy as old is the very core of EvE. The more risk the better reward. Citadels are better than empire stations and that’s why it should be more risky to have, operate, and fight for one. You can’t defend it? Don’t own any.

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Sounds good but thats besides the point. CCP made a mistake when applying the same asset safety system to 0.0 and empire space. The result is that none of the players really get what they want.

First of all it protects assets in 0.0 that probably shouldnt be. Any upwell structure in 0.0 that is destroyed should probably drop a portion of the assets inside and the rest destroyed. Thats how it works with ships and i dont see anyone complaining?

In empire you need an asset safety system since you can have alot of players using your structure, and if for whatever reason you lose it, that is outside their control and they need some sort of insurance, otherwise they are less inclined to come and use your structure so you may as well not have plopped it down in the first place.

I very much doubt that any amount of appeal to GM(s) will work in this case. GMs can’t just go about bypassing game mechanics without a very good cause, which this isn’t, It’s not like his assets are deleted (gone for good). It’s just a matter of how long it will take to get the ISK to pay for the fee.

So…

Asset safety isn’t new. It’s been around since upwell structures entered the game.

The only way you could have an item in an upwell structure, without you putting it there is:

A: someone gave it to you.
B: it was in an outpost which became an upwell structure.

Now, from what I’m reading between the lines, you’re in Empire space. So B doesn’t apply. And I suspect A doesn’t either.

Which means that you put the blueprint in the structure. At a time when asset safety existed. And now you’re complaining about not knowing about it, as if that’s someone else’s fault?

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Structures don’t die on a span of hours but days, if someone want the benefits they gave he/she must be prepare to take the risk. It would be content creator.

No thats not what im saying. I am saying that Asset Safety is broken. This is why:

CCP made a mistake when applying the same asset safety system to 0.0 and empire space. The result is that none of the players really get what they want.

First of all it protects assets in 0.0 that probably shouldnt be. Any upwell structure in 0.0 that is destroyed should probably drop a portion of the assets inside and the rest destroyed. Thats how it works with ships and i dont see anyone complaining?

In empire you need an asset safety system since you can have alot of players using your structure, and if for whatever reason you lose it, that is outside their control and they need some sort of insurance, otherwise they are less inclined to come and use your structure so you may as well not have plopped it down in the first place.

That’s each of the players’ problem and not yours. The insurance then is that you can put up a new structure or even a backup structure in the same system and move the assets over. In high-sec do you also have NPC stations in almost every system, which makes it pretty safe for high-sec and more risky in null-sec.

You’re still only making an attempt at explaining away your loss and to blame it on the game.

Why are you so dense? In empire space players are supposed to use each others structures. Do you understand this?

But the way the asset safety system works today is that unless the upwell structure is in a system with a NPC station you will have to pay 15% to recover your assets. This means that litle to noone is going to use a upwell structure in a system with no NPC station. So you are not going to see much activity in systems without NPC stations… Thats a real shame since Upwell structures could have changed that.

No asset safety in 0.0 would lead to people being rightfully pissed off when they return after a break and find they have nothing left. Other than NPC space, there are no stations in nullsec. It would lead to people laving the game.

Highsec, on the other hand, has a whole bunch of NPC stations. So people could run everything from there.

If anything, your argument suggests no asset safety in highsec. (I don’t like that idea, but it makes more sense than the other way round)

Just to add: people are already using upwell structures all over nullsec. So you’re wrong. So very very wrong.

Everyone gets that you don’t like the system but that doesn’t mean it’s broken PERIOD