Except, of course, that application of precedent is flawed. However, I do have to correct myself: Karishal Muritor was a Captain, not an Admiral. Still, the error in application remains.
The Defiants staged their attacks on Amarr orbital facilities in the Bleak Lands. They struck from Thukker space, and at the time, the Thukker Tribe were not members of the Republic. So Aldrith is attemping to equate an official Imperial policy, issued by the lawful authority in that theater of conflict, with the actions of criminals whose first crime was against the Republic.
Had Captain Muritor surrendered, perhaps after being tried for mutiny and piracy by the Republic, he might have been handed over to the Empire to answer for his crimes against them. Weâll never know, though, because he did not, and instead forced @Kanth_Filmir to have his ship destroyed.
As the former Admiral Filmir is still active on these forae, perhaps he can give his perspective on the equivalence of these two situations.
I think we both have a reasonable grasp not only of what was said but intended. Lord Newelleâs error in this context was to frame his position in such a way to leave a loose thread to be tugged at.
My answer to the question he had been asked, and one I believe approximates the sentiment he was trying to express would have been another question; âWhen has CONCORD imposed any cost on any nation for any transgression?â
I believe I was around, but not present at the event. Very few true loyalists were; those who got wind of what was about to go down were mostly in Muritorâs gang.
A lot more of us were, of course, present during the demonstrations later, when Admiral Filmir was pressured to resign.
I am not sure what good can come from discussing those dark events now, with so much water under the bridge after. What is done is done, and certainly Sarum is no Muritor, acting unsanctioned and with stolen property. He has his sovereignâs blessing and leave and no one needs to stage a coup to secure it for him.
CONCORDâs role with respect to capsuleers is decidedly different to their role among the nations of the cluster.
They act as the worst kind of indulgent parent, preventing only acts which would cause enough anguish to prompt action against us. I donât see CONCORD protecting the cluster from us, more protecting us from the cluster (and the stupidity born of being numbed to consequence).
There are few planets in the warzone ready to receive a full throttle surprise invasion from House Sarum, though before you go about making points like that, I suggest you take a look at Eugidiâs skies. We have chased you out, your glorious big push to retake Floseswin has been one big glorious burnout. Even planetside your kinâs forces now hide behind their walls, under siege.
You are losing, Shutaq and death will follow those you fail to evacuate.
Is that what youâve relegated yourself to, Newelle? Conjuring up a pretense of falsehoods for yourself? Electus Matari did not waffle on anything. This may come as some surprise to those with perpetual tunnel vision, but there are several other regions of Republic space that also require our attention. Certain priorities come before a forever war that apparently revolves around one system. One system that Ushraâkhan has well under control despite having Sarum and Ardishapur fleets attack their structures and Amarr loyalists enlisting the aid of known pirates.
Youâre so quick to dedicate your time and effort to calling out what you perceive as failures that youâve blinded yourself to the sheer gravity of what the warzone even looks like today. Perhaps if you left the IGS for a day, you might be able to reflect on that.
Before you lump me in with the rest of them, Ushraâkhan were calling for the Republic to take action from the start. We were the only ones who stood to protect our skies and we done it alone. So you can drop that rhetoric as ammunition against myself or any of my UNITY brethren. We were there since day one and are still there now.
And we done it all without enlisting pirate aid, Shutaq.
By the way, the pilot with the Hel is a holder of the Righteous Cross from when the 24th Imperial Crusade took the entire warzone. He might not wear the colors now, but he is sympathetic to our cause.
I mean, gosh, Meatpuppet, I know facts arenât your strong suit, but letâs reviewâŚ
Sarum declares the planet-wide Reclaiming on or about the 21st of October.
Troops begin landing alongside suicide attacks on the 26th of November.
Now, thatâs the very next month. Is 5 days really âand a halfâ in Aldrith-world?
The invasion met with immediate resistance, as per the news story, and was actively contested pretty much constantly from⌠gosh, October 18.
I mean, again, I dunno how things work in Aldrith-world, but a constant effort to retake the system doesnât look âindecisiveâ to me. It looks unsuccessful, sure, but thereâs nothing indecisive about a sustained campaign.
Maybe, I dunno, try at least working with a passing familiarity with the facts? For a change? You never know, you might even like it!
In Aldrith-world most would realise that Ushraâkhan had the power to retake Floseswin at will while the 24th Imperial Crusade was tearing itself apart over Arzad in the weeks before the invasion.
In Aldrith-world most would understand that random contesting of a system does not indicate a sustained effort to take a system in the faction wars. While some Electus Matari pilots were trying in a concerted manner, these pilots were less than a handful. A serious deployment could have easily overtaken what few people we had defending it.
In Aldrith-world a manipulative pendant such as you would figure out how ridiculous they look when they pick out the smallest flaws in an argument and then present narrow bands of factual evidence without context in a wilful attempt to discredit someone who knows far more about the conflict they are discussing as they had direct participation in it throughout. Then they would shut their galaxy-spanning traps and be happy with the few idiots they twisted into abandoning their entire lives just to please them.
I suppose there is a flaw in Aldrith-world. The last part of it is not this world, it seems.