Interesting world in which “less than a handful” of pilots are indicative of an entire alliance’s goals and actions. Convenient, then, is the straw-man that better frames the actions of several pilots as that of failure on behalf of Electus Matari. Be that as it may, it is no less absurd.
It amazes me how thoroughly you misunderstand what I am trying to make you remember.
It was not a failure of Electus Matari, it was a non-effort as your alliance prioritized the war against the Hogs Collective over Floseswin. Understandable, if you had an ally in Ushra’Khan which could be relied upon to put the welfare of the Minmatar people above their own self-interest. This is not the case.
The plain fact stands: Ushra’Khan willfully chose not to fight for Floseswin prior to December 13th, YC 121. This was at least partially due to their involvement in the warzone deal to trade occupancy of systems that based mission agents in an effort to force profiteers into combat roles by denying them their primary income source. I also suspect they allowed the invasion to land and progress to advance their case that a more militant and ruthless approach to the Empire and its people is the appropriate path forward for the Minmatar people.
I say this without malice; it is the expected and perhaps even the intelligent move to offer a sacrifice for a greater gain. But you should recognize the demons you deal with.
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It’s a shame that most of you religious zealots are too deluded by your faith to realise the hypocrisy in your words. Though that’s a never ending debate I don’t want to delve deeper into right now.
The truth of the matter is that against the Sarumite and 24th’s main fleets, there was little we could do but hold our ground. Preventing the landings of Sarum forces planet side was nigh impossible without the aid of the Republic military - which none of us capsuleers had. You can point the finger at capsuleers all you wish for this, but the only one truly capable of preventing the invasion from reaching the ground in the first place was the Republic - who were too busy trying to find their own heads to act in a timely manner.
We have prevented mass amounts of reinforcements and supplies reaching 24th and Sarum forces, that along with our own doctrine of troops on Floseswin IV doing their part has lead to yours cowering behind their walls, importing weapons of mass destruction to ruin things for everyone rather than admit defeat and be caught in retreat. You have all been warned what will be unleashed should said WMDs be used on our people.
Regardless of what you say next, we have come for our people and we still fight and control the skies. It is up to the Republic to get their finger out of their own arseholes and make a real push now to rid he ground of the Slavers, not us capsuleers caught up in this political travesty. We are doing our part where we can and have no plans of backing down or giving up until Floseswin and the Eugidi constellation are properly secured and free of your kin.
■■■■ the dates, ■■■■ your fanatical opinions and ■■■■ off. You came to our space to enslave our nation, every vile word that your mouth excretes is invalid as far as I’m concerned.
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First we “waffled”, then “some of us tried”, then there “was a non-effort”. I don’t know what you’re trying to make me remember, but if you keep moving that goal post around it’s going to be a lot harder to get your point across as anything other than defeatist’s propaganda. Because the Minmatar just weren’t fast enough or strong enough or committed enough to the one suradra system to validate this p’vadah narrative you keep trying to frame. Nevermind that the Minmatar control the majority of the warzone. Nevermind that a pirate coalition was forced out of Republic space. Nevermind that it was all done without massive fleets of slave-operated ships conjured on a whim to attack capsuleer structures or WMDs used on civilian targets when we started to lose.
That’s fine. I’m sure the story rings true with the captive audience of blind faithful who can’t see out beyond the lie-dyed textiles covering their masters’ hind quarters, and surely that’s all that matters.
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I wanted to take the time to congratulate the Amarr loyalists in this thread on winning Floseswin back for the short period that they did and essentially handing control of their ground forces to the Butcher Duke, Chakaid.
The irony is impeccable.
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Either this, or some other atrocity on their part, was inevitable. From the start this has been about Arrach Sarum’s ego. It started as a grand dramatic gesture to regain face after learning Amarr capsuleers in ‘his’ territory were conspiring with their opposite number, and now that his forces in both space and the ground are proving their inadequacy, he’s escalating his threats with his ‘devotion and damnation’ nonsense.
Chakaid’s black dagger BS at least has the benefit of being honestly insane.
I don’t know whether it’s ignorance or dishonesty. But no right-thinking person would for a moment believe that in the Rebel Provinces, in the company of Royal members of both the Ardishapur and Sarum Families that the Duke of Fabai would (even in his capacities as a Theology Council Cardinal and His Majesty King Farokh’s representative) be in overall command.
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Nor welcomed.
Ask the Royal Uhlans, Asbara Cyber Knights and Khanid Zealotic Sikarrs whether he is welcomed. In either case, he’s there now, and that was approved by someone who thought it a welcome proposition.
Oh, I’m sure he’s not officially in command. But do you really think his ‘advice’ is going to be spurned or ignored? Has even a single member of the Privy Council shown that much spine? None of their underlings have. Arrach Sarum certainly hasn’t.
Do you think they’re going to start risking deathglow attacks on their worlds now, after he’s been given all that rank and power, when they wouldn’t before?
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Who exactly has been bent to Duke Chakaid of Fabai’s will? What you see as spinelessness is a result of his official actions being very much within his purview.
I credit you with enough understanding of the Empire to realise that action against a vassal of another noble would be rightfully considered an affront to that noble. I do not know the Duke well enough to have developed a strong opinion of him, whatever unsubstantiated rumours exist, is there anything he can he be proven to have done that would warrant something as reckless as taking action against His Majesty King Farokh?
Better to ask: who hasn’t?
Or are you really asserting that Deathglow attacks on (then) Kador worlds in Aridia—attacks which just so happen to have completely cowed his critics in PIE and in Sarum’s service, suicide bombings (who better to carry them out than warclones?) against the Elkin estates that immediately resulted in Lady Elkin’s ire being directed not at the perpetrator, but at her granddaughter (whom Chakaid has actually accused of being behind the bombing) for drawing Chakaid’s ire, and so on, are official actions within his purview?
As for what can be proven… well. Arrach Sarum certainly made sure to bury that possibility once he got his hands of Zashev, didn’t he?
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Did I happen to see a certain Ferra Orta begging for aid in the public channel of a local well known pirate group ?
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My assertion is that his official (openly committed) actions are within his purview.
As for the rest, it’s suspicion. Hardly enough to justify the only mechanism I know to be available to punish a noble without his liege’s consent.
Given the certainty of consequence should that mechanism be invoked. If the proof you infer to exist indeed does, it would be pragmatic and appropriate for His Grace Lord Sarum to address the issue directly and discreetly with His Majesty King Khanid.
In the context of the unity of purpose shown by the Royal Heirs in recent weeks, if there was an issue to be resolved, clearly it has been done so to the satisfaction of the relevant parties.
You probably didn’t even need to squint.
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And If the proof indicates that Chakaid’s actions are well known by Khanid, and come at the order of Garkeh-part-II, then pragmatism demands Sarum keep his mouth shut. Khanid has been allowed to resume his status as Heir. Eventually, he will be Emperor, the only question is how many iterations of himself he has to go through. And when that happens, Sacred Flesh will be disposed of, and there will never be a need for another Emperor.
And Sarum, like the other Heirs, is smart enough to read the writing on that wall. None of them will move against Khanid, because none of them trust the others to move with them. And so his victory is guaranteed.
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Wolves care not for the opinions of sheep. You might think to scorn someone with that retort, but keep in mind, unlike the Republic who care about their face first, people second, us Khan’s will go through lengths to no end to see our people saved. Throwing the “you got pirate aid” card is a slippery slope, watch yourself there.
■■■■, I’d even go as far to say that the pirates have pulled more weight with their general annoyances than the Republic have done over the skies of IV in recent months. They might be contesting planet side somewhat, though even then I hear more updates from the private armies and militias of the Minmatar capsuleers than the Republic’s forces. An absolute farce at this point…
So, your logical explanation of events is that His Majesty dispatched an extremely conspicuous servant invested with his full lawful authority to intimidate members of the Sacred Throne and sack the Elkin Family estate? He could have had most of that impact with a strongly worded letter, with far fewer loose ends.
No, my logical explanation is that a power-hungry maniac who likes to use intimidation and violence used intimidation and violence in decidedly unlawful ways, knowing that nobody would dare call him on it.
Incidentally, this also let him double-dip on the intimidation. Why do that instead of using a strongly-worded letter? Because warclones who enjoy violence don’t get the same visceral thrill from a strongly-worded letter that they get from watching someone’s home burn. It’s as much about him enjoying the process as about the results he gets.
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So it’s gone from “We did it on our own” to “we’ll use anyone and anything”
I’m perfectly willing to be absolutely honest and say that pirate aid regularly gets called in on our side, via mutual contacts, but I do question why you and yours in particular seem to be so willing to flip flop from Moral Highground over their use to Ends Justify The Means.
Also, let’s be clear here, Pol himself repeatedly stated on these very forums while the Reclaimation was ongoing that U’K would hold to the treaty. Cain and his alliance allies put more effort into trying to hold space superiority on the system than you and yours did during that time, all while you apparently stood alone. So we can add playing down other people’s efforts on your own damned side to the list too?
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