And I bet you’re effective at anything you do because of it. So maybe you now understand my point!
I don’t.
Sorry
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Don’t be. It’s what happens when one doesn’t pay attention.
I’m assuming that removing suicide ganking as a mechanic would have a few effects:
- The number of account hours spent on HiSec mining will go up.
- The proportion of HiSec mining performed AFK will go up.
- The proportion of HiSec mining performed in Covetors/Hulks/Retrievers/Mackinaws will go up, while the proportion performed in Procurers/Skiffs will go down.
My instinct is that the increase in the ore supply from those three factors working together would drown out the inefficiencies on a per-miner basis: If there are 500% more people doing a thing, but they’re only doing it at half efficiency, that’s still an increase in total output of 250%.
I could be wrong though. 
EDIT: Actually, in hindsight I think effect 2. above wouldn’t actually increase output. I think you’re probably right in that it would decrease output. So I think what I was trying to say (somewhat badly) is that I expect 1. and 3. to drown out 2. Sorry for bad explanation: I can see you’re replying right now as I edit this. Hope I’m not ninja-ing your response. 
Of course, but we’re not arguing about who is wrong and who is right.
To 1. do I see little to no relationship to gankers. Gankers have no influence on how much time a player has to play EVE. Miners simply move away. They are neither dumb nor quitters. They’re players like everyone else and if they want to mine then that’s what they do. I don’t know of anyone who has stopped mining because of gankers. In fact I know some who went into low- and null-sec and now mine there.
To 2. do I agree. The players will be paying much less attention to their game and they also more often just pick the biggest rock in hope to stay afk as long as possible while they chase after something else (Internet, TV, another account, …). Those are the ones who sit with disabled mining lasers in a belt and are afk for longer than they should be and because they’ve stop paying attention.
To 3. do I also agree, but I don’t see much extra yield coming in from this. I already mine in a Hulk when I mine for ore and a Skiff for ice. I might be tempted to use a Mackinaw more often due to the large ore hold, but the yield wouldn’t really go up. Paying attention to what one mines, and how, i.e. with mining drones and controlling the flight distance, opposed to just clicking on a rock, give a command and the go afk again, makes my mining much more efficient. While being at the keyboard do I check which ore pays best, how much is in a belt, if I’m in range, pre-lock the next rocks, etc… I’m just not doing any of this while I’m not at the keyboard.
In other words, I don’t see gankers having that much of a negative effect on me. I sure don’t like loosing my ship, I don’t appreciate the rudeness of their method, but at the end of the day do I just don’t care for them. I simply make the best of it, because I can and when I have to am I doing it into their face. I’m not ungankable, nobody is, but if you’re at your keyboard and keep your eyes open then it requires a lot more effort for gankers to get one than just shooting a “sitting duck”.
That’s too complicated for me mate. I just click on things and watch the pretty fireworks
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True for most of those who do not mine for isk. In highsec.
Wrong for all of those who do.
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It is not about “has”, it is about “is willing to”.
Gank 'em on a good day and they log off.
Gank 'em, locate the clone, go there, make yourself noticed and watch them barking like little dogs from inside the station.
Gankers absolutely can and do influence the willingness of miners to mine. -
a) It is common to use alarms.
b) If this was true then it would already be happening, because plenty of miners are absolutely unaware of gankers and already afk. The amount of people who do not care about their mining laser is low, because mining in highsec yields shitty isk and losing just ten minutes is thus quite costly, relatively speaking. -
You are not relevant. Most miners in highsec mine in crippled low yield fits thanks to ganking. Without these, EVERYONE would switch to Covetors and Hulks, increasing the input on the market significantly.
Ganking and mining are not simply separatable. Separable.
I like separatable. : p
Without ganking people would have not switched to tankier mining barges =
Without ganking people would be using ships with higher yield =
More ore on the market =
Lower prices.
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The fact that miners are simply players in a specific ship does not automatically mean they all have the same mindset. I find your statement rude and disrespectful towards others. And I don’t see you backing it up either.
It still has many miners in the game and they haven’t quit. I do see many of them in Skiffs, especially in ice belts, which means most of them have tanked up and aren’t dumb as you think. Ice also pays better than empire ores right now and with the new moon mining have the planetary belts lost their appeal for now. So, no, they haven’t quit but are going after the ISKs.
Maybe go mining some time so you can back up what you’re saying. I do.
I’m not going to have a discussion with you where you want to class a whole group of player based on the choice of ship as dumb and as quitters, mate.
Can confirm most are on the athanors
No. When they mine in Skiffs they are exactly as dumb as I think.
Yeah, see, you have no actual idea what you are talking about. Too much in theory-land, apparently, even if you are actually mining … as you say. That does not make you good, and certainly does not mean that you know what you are doing.
I have quadruple-boxxed whole belts clean. In covetors. With a linked orca. In my own, self designed fleet setup involving specifically placed bookmarks, higgs rig and full yield setups, and I could warp out the whole fleet within one second. Long before any gankers could potentially reach me. The warp-menu was always open, visible and you can’t beat a reaction time of less than a second.
Most absolutely are dumb as bricks. No thinking involved. Only a complete moron would OPPOSE CODE, YET DO AS THEY WANT THEM TO, and that is exactly what is going on. It spread long enough that eventually the vast majority tank their ships just because everyone else is doing it, who are doing it only because CODE exists in the first place.
Go gank a miner with a wannabe badass name, like the guy who called himself DEATHSLAYERXX (or something close) who cried ■■■■■■■ OCEANS because we popped his inflated ego back to its normal size. You think these are exceptions? Well, http://minerbumping.com proves you wrong!
(this is, in fact, the first time I ever linked to that site)
There is zero sense in mining in a brick tank, low yield setup. Zero. Any argument about them wanting to stay afk, while making profits, is completely irrelevant. They want to play a game, yet they are not playing the game, yet they are claiming that mining is fun when they are not actually doing anything actively. With the exception of the smart miners, who are not just afk and waiting to get blown out of space.
The vast majority of people in the western world are, in fact, dumb. The further we go, the worse it gets. If evidence on the forums isn’t enough, then maybe you should take a good look at the internet. Try reddit. Youtube comments. Facebook. People on social “dating” (snip) sites like Tinder.
Sheesh … you are so far off, you should be ashamed of yourself for having no ■■■■■■■ clue about the real world.
Snipped out an inappropriate remark. - ISD Fractal
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What a rant.
Blanket statements like this are a good example of how wrong you may end up being when you generalise so much.
Those players just want to play the game in a different way than you do, not necessarily afk, but more relaxed, not having to pay much attention, and chilling out with others and/or doing something else in the meantime instead.
Moreover, they may want to do it occasionally, and play the game in a completely different way other times.
What many of them think is fun is the whole set of things they do while mining, not the mining alone by itself. Or put another way, they do what they’d do if they weren’t playing EVE, and then add mining to the mix.
The point I’m trying to make here is that there are some players for which what you say is correct, and others for which it simply is not. You do it wrong when you generalise so much and think everybody that doesn’t want to play the game the way you do is dumb or whatever. In fact, it shows a difficulty to understand other people’s points of view on your part.
Please don’t acknowledge his rant. Discussions on the dumbness of people are in essence hate speeches. You don’t want to touch that.
And after people like Sol say I’m bad 
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It grinds my gears when I see ore prices drop.
As far as I’m concerned gankers are the guys from marketing, they create a demand for goods and materials; some of which I sell.
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or maybe they are fun killer and without fun there is no game and at the end of the day , bye bye Eve …
Not really.
During the first few days of the Abyssal Sites being open for exploration nearly 3 trillion ISK was lost by capsuleers.
If the trend were to continue for only one month the losses in Abyssal Space, a PvE event, would mock CODE and other gankers attempt at generating ‘content’.
This is 100% the reason why I don’t even sell what I mine. Or refine it. Or move it around.
The pretty towers of rocks unrefined spinning in the station which probably should be considered too small to contain it all…
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I stopped playing after trying industry, about 3 years ago.
I wanted to try and do it all myself; so i came back into high sec, to put a POS up, upped standings, did research, copy, invention, manufacturing, etc. I thought it would be a fun challenge.
I was aware of suicide ganking, and so, I never carried large amount of value in cargo, and fitted an orca with a decent passive tank.
I got ganked 2 times in my orca, not even carrying more than 300M of goods.
That reseted my economy, with the pos, BPOs and other things I had to buy to get started and I just stopped playing.
Havn’t touched the game ever since. I was playing since 2008.
I know, I might have played it badly, but this really triggered me, in a very bad way.
I even scouted my travels with an alt. but they just warp the neutral bumping machariel in as you appear on scan jump, and bump you for 30 mns, to finally blow you up with 100 catalysts. you are left staring at your screen and asking why you are even playing this internet spaceship game.
There should be consequences that are harsher for this stuff, including bumping people for so long.
As it just prevents the more interesting aspects of eve to be explored for a large portion of the player base.
I came back at the forums just to see if things had improved on this front in eve. I’m interested to do some pvp and maybe try industry again.
This doesnt really make me want to come back.
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