Trust when I say, a properly structured Corporation will turn war deccs into isk sink, if they want to waste their time and isk let them.
It is a double dipping issue by CCP! The NPC mine the ore so quickly and that the total mined by the NPC miners counts in the weird belt spawning formula CCP uses. As for going back to Null Sec, I would rather walk away from the game then to deal with Null Sec again.
I agree we can chase away the NPC miners but they are back in 10-15 minutes and it must be done again and again. Killing the NPC haulers is not worth it for the poor loot drop and the negative standing hit.
I mine all over Minmatar controlled space, so jumping around and moving is a non issue. In the first post I stated that the spawning of the belts is being effected by the NPC miners to the point were most belts are spawning at 60% at best. So even if you find a nice system to mine for today, it has nothing to do with the belt spawning tomorrow. The main issue is CCP is double dipping on the Ore by counting the NPC miners total against the daily spawn. As for Minmatar Space being special, HECK NO! I am stuck in Minmatar Space because CCP does not explain that doing missions for Minmatar again other factions crashes your standing with those faction and locking you into one factionās space. Steps are being taken on my part to fix that issue.
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What did you not like about nullsec you got a pick a smaller to medium Corp if you want to form relations with people and not be some cog
Do some mining missions, youāll get raw ISK, some additional SP and you get better standing reducing taxes. When you are at 10.0 for every NPC corp in your faction do the other faction npc corps. WHen everything is to 10 report back and weāll check the belts again in 2020.
That aside Iād suggest you join a organised nullsec corp where you can mine (with caution as in nullsec gangs roam around and will wreck and pod you like itās Flint, Michigan) but somehow you succeeeded in leaving Karmafleet -I hope with good standings- maybe try Acendance ( https://ascee.goonfleet.com/ ) they require 1 PAP a month and have a great mining fleet.
Iām not a recruiter or diplomat but if you can inform me about what went wrong iāll do my best to be your beaver in the hole.
No, youāre wrong. The NPC Mining Fleets were placed in the game as a way to force Industrial players out of high sec space.
During the S.P.A.C.E. event, I went to systems with low to no population count far away from major trade and mission hubs for the Agency mining tasks. Most of the systems were empty of Asteroid Fields and any active fields had NPC Mining Fleets in them.
Also the Standings mechanic with the NPC Mining Fleets is incorrectly programed as well. The active Asteroid Fields I did find had Sansha, Blood Raider and Thukker Tribe NPC Mining Fleets all sitting there mining side by side. Sorry but that breaks immersion and goes against Eve Lore since those Factions are mortal enemies. The second I landed on grid in my little Prospect Frigate the Pirate mining ships would warp out and an attack response fleet would warp in. Hell I even have positive standing with Thukker Tribe and they didnāt provide any help at all.
No, thatās also incorrect and more importantly a waste of time since all theyāll be doing is warping around taking them further away from their base of operation without actually conducting their chosen game play activity - Mining Asteroids.
In fact the only way I could complete the Agency Mining tasks during the S.P.A.C.E. event was by mining Ore Anomalies.
The whole premise of having NPC Mining Fleets is counter productive to CCP saying they want players to do mining. Actually they do want them to do mining, just not in high sec space.
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They wanted to add a sense of scarcity to highsec so youād work a bit for your minerals.
What do you think weād do if npcs came to steal our precious spod in null?weād kill them and their response fleet now go do the same
See thatās the choice you made for holding Sov in an area where thereās no security, thatās why itās called Null Sec space. Meaning if you want security there you have to provide it.
So since there arenāt any NPC Mining Fleets doing that in Null sec space, thanks for validating my statement that CCP implemented the NPC Mining Fleets in high sec space in an attempt to force Industrial players to not mine in high sec.
What a shame, this game use to be a sandbox where players had freewill to play how they see fit, not be forced to follow some asinine script written by CCP.
Bottom line - Pirate NPC Mining Fleets clearing out Asteroid Fields in Empire High Sec space with impunity goes against Eve Lore and breaks immersion in this game.
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So you expect CCP to hold your sorry hand forever through Concord?
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No, I expect CCP to be fair and unbiased. Obviously thatās not the case. The rewards should have been buffed since there was more risk placed on high sec space.
One thing is for sure, you and your Sov members definitely wouldnāt like it if all the Asteroid Fields in Sov space were constantly mined out by NPC Mining Fleets protected by Response Attack Fleets
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We wouldnāt mind at all we mine the anomalies bigger rocks rats can have the normal belts:))
As for dangersā¦we get capital spawns and other players
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Seriously WTF is wrong with you carebears? Stop playing the victim and start thinking about doing something about it maybe? If you really canāt move how about you form a group in your area with people in different timezones that will report and kill the haulers of the NPC miners?
God forbid you actually try to play the game for a change and use the tools available to solve your problems. Itās not like this is super difficult, it is already known how to block them from mining.
Really, do you think you are entitled to just press F1 and get as much ore as you want? And donāt even start āI donāt PvPā, this is pure PvE and just another element they added to the sandbox. And it is super easy to get rid off.
Stop crying! Start thinking! Play the feking game!!
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I can only hope that after losing money last year, CCP is realizing the depth of their mistake which is why CCP Seagull is gone. CCP would be wise to realize that ALL areas should have some value.
Yeah but you have perfect intel (Local) to bail you out. If you want danger, spend your time mining in wormholes.
Thatās rather obvious, EvE is supposed to be a sandbox where you can play the way you want to. Not everybody wants to live in nullsec. I know you canāt understand that, but just assume that thereās more than one way to play EvE.
No we expect CCP to leave the sandbox alone, and stop tilting it so that all the sand winds up on the Nullsec side. Remember when CCP used to advertise āYou can do whatever you want in EvEā, I do. Oh and next time I find CONCORD in wormhole space, Iāll remember to ask them to hold my handā¦
I really doubt youāve done much in the industrial side of EvE. So his earlier answer makes no sense to youā¦
So when you go -5.0 to factions where do you expect to fly your unarmed hauler and actually sell your wares? See one thing all industrial players strive for is the ability to sell their wares to any faction, and wrecking your faction standings is the exact opposite of what you should do. So your āsolutionā actually shows you know very little about this aspect of EvE play. Sure he can kill NPCās but then he restricts the location where he can sell the minerals he just mined, see how this becomes counterproductive?
It has nothing to do with being a carebear, itās knowing how to play the game.
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Whereās your pride, minmatar?
Every capsuleer starts in a state allowinā him to go wherever the ā ā ā ā he wants. Beinā part of a race has a meaning! OF COURSE other races will start hatinā ya for runninā missions against them! Thatās part of the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā game! Thereās also a way of āgettinā good againā with 'em and thereās a significant effort behind it for a reason! Otherwise, if ya wanna play any other race ya got two more slots left to create 'em!
Itās a game and these are our playing figures! When yaārr hatinā the npc miners just ā ā ā ā ā ā ā shoot 'em!
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CCP lost money because of their VR disaster. EVE is the only successful product they have and it generated enough money to crash multiple side projects.
How is that comment even related to what I wrote? I do a lot of industry because I need a lot of ships and modules in quantities and places where no one sells them so I produce everything myself. And it also reduced operation cost. Also industry is stupidly easy, there is zero challenge to it.
You completely failed to address what I actually wrote, which is that there are ways to deal with the NPC miners with ingame tools and some minimal organisation. Instead of crying for CCP to remove those miners op could simply start playing EVE and use some spaceships to deal with the problem himself or with some friends. Instead you are all crying with him and reinforce each other in the believe that you are all just such poor victims of CCPs evil plan to eradicate your gameplay because they added a small challenge to an otherwise dull and effortless activity.
Seriously use the tools available. You are not entitled to free access to unlimited ore without effort. And even saying that is a bit funny knowing how incredibly small that effort is.
There arenāt. Kill the NPC miners, they respawn. They bot 24/7.
And unlike players you canāt run them out of isk.
So stop talking your usual āattack anyone who PvEāsā and think. The only way to beat them would be to run your own bots to hunt them.
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DOWN WITH NPC MINERS INFESTATION!!!
Nobody asked for them!
/distributes pitchforks and torches
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Did you seriously just say you understand the industrial/market gameplay in EvE because you build your own ships and modules? Wow.
And you failed to understand that the OP addressed your thoughts and told you why your solution isnāt optimal. Instead of trying to understand what he was saying, you assumed he was a carebear and was somehow afraid to shoot an NPC.
Now look carefully at what I suggested to the OP and find anywhere you think I said to complain to CCP to remove the miners. I told him how to avoid the miners and mine in highsec, without tanking his standings, or how he could mine near highsec for greater rewards. Itās a good thing I know you share the same passion for EvE that I do - itās one of the things I like best about you.
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You can shoot the NPC miners while not killing them and take no security lost versus their faction but thanks for asking.
There are ways to block them until downtime. They only respawn if you kill all of them. So stop crying an organize. It is not that difficult.
Why would anyone mine in an ordinary asteroid belt with the current prices?
If you go into an ice belt then you can mine in one hour enough ice worth 2-3 hours of ore mining. One can complain about a lot of things in EVE, but playing the game wrong and then complaining about something, anything, no matter how sound the criticism may seem, just isnāt going to stick.
We then have moon mining and with many players either moon or ice mining are the ordinary asteroid belts almost void of players. So much that Iāve already suggested to get rid of some of the belts and to consolidate those into one belt per planet (and no longer have the I, II, III, ā¦V, ā¦, X or how many there sometimes are per planet).
When there isnāt enough ore for you to mine in an ordinary asteroid belt then you have to step up your game and go where your mining skills are of more value.
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