Boring lowsecs. Ideas on how to make players highly active

As from my IRL experience, after several years of trading different types of securities, I would say: 0.0s are Primary Market, high-secs are Secondary Market, and low-secs are Junk Stocks. You can make profit on first one and second one, but not on third one because it requires totally different strategies (if you heard about GameStop, you should understand the idea).

The fundamental thing is: low-secs are systems where you can destroy ships without spawning CONCORD, and they are not profitable enough to establish a well guarded base there. If you will make them safer for solo pilots, low-secs will become another high-secs. If you will increase profit, they will be another 0.0s. Main goal of low-secs is ability to have non-binding PvP, not ability to increase profit. And the phrase about “high risk = high reward” is a bait for naive people who do no know that risk management exists. “High risk = always looses in long perspective” — more appropriate phrase.

So, shifting any balance in lows-secs will just destroy them as a class.

And what about the small groups that can field 0, who are just coming in from high?

The point is the player progression for PvP is grossly broken and low is where it goes bad. If BS was the meta in low there would be a lot more activity.

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capitals aren’t the reason you don’t use BS in low. frigates are.

I mean… what about groups of 10 pilots just moving into low when there are groups that can field fleets of over 30?

its not hard to avoid a small group of caps if you can’t fight it. and a couple caps also aren’t impossible to deal with if your group doesn’t have any. Not to mention capitals really aren’t hard to get a hold of anymore. Most groups I know even if they don’t use it have someone with a FAX or a carrier in low or the abilities to get one.

If caps were not there the BSs would be in the fleet where the caps were, they would not be the solo goto.

most caps in LS are FAX for logistics. then any other caps that show up are normally to counter the FAX either by killing it or doing more damage than it can rep.

so no BBs would not replace caps in the current LS meta. They are too slow and too vulnerable to the much more common Frigs and cruisers that most LS gangs consist of. The only time you really see BBs are in fleets that have or plan to bring the support of a FAX. however even this has gone away for the most part do to trig BCs being able to rep each other and bash structures. bashing being the main use of BBs in LS and what normally brought capital escalations.

just had a wonderful idea
in fw areas
make de empire NPCs/turrets shot non militia enlisted or non empire people
i mean if you are in amarr fw area you have to be amarr or any militia else amarr npcs/turrets shot you
that way the non committed and especially NULL SEC CRAB BLOCKS will have less motivation to destroy all the fun in LS
at the same time people will have more incentives to enlist
btw put AMARR/ ETC militia above the corp name on the description of the char

why im saying this , wen the goons war become long a massive exodus of crabs to low sec occurred , they ruined the anarchic , small pvp culture , im "giving eve a time ’ because of that

dont put things in low sec, because the only thing you accomplish is to attract no low sec people and transform low sec in not low sec

edit:
maybe for the pirates can be a exemption if the home system of your corp is 10 jumps away in low sec …

i mean… the LS pirates are a key part to the content in FW. The only thing I would change in regards to neutrals is to give them suspect when entering a FW plex but I don’t think even that is needed.

this just seems convoluted unintuitive and restrictive. For one a big reason to not align to a faction is to increase your number of targets and a good way to do that is hunt both wz. not to mention just having gat guns shooting 3rd parties wont really be a deterrent of any kinds it will just need slight adjustments to how you are hunting.

yeah pirates are vital
i just had a insight and wrote it
its probably not that refined
i just want low sec for low sec people
aka militia and pirates

my problem is with big entities , i don’t know how to make them go away and stop the subversion of LS

only way that’s going to happen is add in more NS systems with worse resorces than current NS to add more room with less reward for taking it allowing more smaller groups to take up in null without being absorbed into any of the blocks. This will create a healthier PvP environment in null and pull the heat that way.

though i doubt that would even work as im sure the blocks would still find a need to absorb them.

Lel

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Making lowsec less boring ?

You can’t.

Because it is primarily populated with utterly boring +1up losers with totally boring and unimaginative behaviour and mindset at base.

Lowsec cannot be unfucked, no matter what you do, unless the playerbase’s mindset and content culture changes, which an almost impossible shot given the current age and demographics of the game.

Eve is varied and complex enough to make worthwhile and complex engagements, but what do people in lowsec choose to do with it ?

  • Bring OP/Roflstomp for every engagement, F1 Monkeys, Dogpile, Farm plexes.

That sums up lowsec content, 95% of the time.
The other 5%, is not worth spending all the time to roam around for.

PS: Actually, that sums up the whole of Eve, not just lowsec.

o/

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Good to see you are commenting on a subject you have been involved in recently.

FYI you go suspect when you enter a plex and have done since late last year, possibly longer than that. It was a good change.

I think we can safely count on most players NOT being sane. That’s not me being negative about the players, but it’s inevitable in trade. Someone always ends up with the hot potato.

Smartest thing to do, is never recommend good trading practices to anyone else. SOMEONE has to do the player-vs-environment game and fortunately, many players do.

I have been in a break of over two years but I have been doing fw since I came back. If this is the case then iv encountered a bug. Not even two days ago a neutral vaurger and gnossis warped into our plex. Have also had several slicers been neutral.

Is it just a suspect timer that never refreshes so you can wait it out inside a site? And does it not apply to opens?

It’s a normal suspect timer that starts on gate activation. I think you can cancel warp, but you would already have the timer.

You can wait it out in a plex.

I guess you won’t get it at the open as there is no gate, but that would need to be confirmed, I spend most of my time in novice and small plexes.

You definitely don’t get it on open. Like I said I just saw two ships warp in and land neutral.

But how are you going to critique people for your impression of a lack of experience when you only have extremely limited experience with the wider mechanic by staying in novice or small?

But thats not actually a good thing.

Why not? If I’m out doing pve, then I’m potential content for the pvp crowd. I don’t even ■■■■■ about hisec ganking(it’s part of the game), if they get me it’s probably because I ■■■■■■ up.

I suppose it’s a matter of opinion whether my loot/salvage/minerals(from reproc) being sold to other players is a good or bad thing.

If I make more isk, then I can afford to take greater risks(which translates to me being out of hisec and in more expensive ships, which means better targets for the pvp crowd).

You make more isk from your PvE if less people are doing it.

Is that because of that dynamic bounty system? I heard about it last spring or thereabouts but don’t remember
much about it.