Broker Relations

Its how the stock market works. You don’t pay fees setting up trades, you pay the fees when the trade is executed.

You’re right. Make them do 10 rounds of project disovery to update an order.

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To a great extent it will be bonus comparison. If you do not have maxed out relations with Caldari Navy, Caldari faction and relevant skills you are a loser. Because someone can put an offer one tick lower/higher and still be ISK positive. Alpha clones are at least few percent behind (extra tax + accounting + broker relations).

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Simply pushing the traders in the cheerfull arms of the citadell owners …
Hence diminishing the role of Jita trade hub by having more SO in citadels all around Jita .
I don’t mention the other hubs: Jita > all :smiley:

No more than before.

  • Before this change : almost only BO
  • After this change : more traders will use the SO aswell .

I hope I don’t have to explain why I use the strategy of using only citadell for BO and selling in JIta :roll_eyes:

says who ?

Since the buzzword of the day seems to be “intelligent pricing decisions”… There is an open-source tool (EVE IpH) that does all those cumbersome computations for you. It downloads the market prices, runs through a subset (or ALL) of the known blueprints, and finally reports your profits in ISK/hr from building each item in a variety of ways given your skill levels and station/structure stats. It is possible to specify whether you buy at BO or SO prices and whether you sell at BO or SO prices. You can explore all four combinations and see for yourself which ones make you keep producing and which nudge you to become a pirate :slight_smile:

assuming the market as room for infinite production …

Why wouldnt you increase what you are charging to cover the overhead?

I would like to watch 5 Raitaru shooting at miners.

It’s easily done. Just man the tons of structures CODE have, aim the miners, and press the red button. Wait you afraid of Concord? Concord is no threat since all hisec belong to James right? don’t fear those Invaders mate! but please let me know where and when, I can make a free recording of this great event.

Sadly, the button is always green for structures.

Dam , bad luck it is , should be nice content

I update all orders once per day. Twice occasionally on a weekend if I’m bored. I last updated orders about 20 hours ago, haven’t so much as logged into any of those characters today. Depending on w\the items in question its quite possible that some people almost never update an order, but that would be the exception rather than the rule in my mind.

0.01 ISK if I think there is nothing to be gained with a larger change. More if I believe the price is going too high or too low to be filled in a good time, there is a fair amount of elasticity on some items.

Other reasons to change order prices by more is that it often let’s some of the 0.01 isk crowd to wait for my order to be filled, not willing to accept the lower margin and hoping I’ll be going away. Sometimes they send me a mail about it, upset that the margin has been ruined.

One of the best habits to get into is to update your orders, and not look at them again for 0.01 ISKers until the next day. ISK/hour spent is what is important, not maximizing margins.

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Those are tasty !!

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I believe your way of doing it is the standard and not the absolute exception as CCP wants us do believe. This works because you could create a larger order and let people buy/sell from it for weeks and months. With pushing every day some kind of equality is created among the traders giving everybody a fair share.

This will not work anymore after the change because you can’t update the orders every day unless you want to ruin your profits. Since still the only order trading is the one on top of the others, the optimal strategy is issuing tiny orders one after the other 23/7.

We may get rid of the 0.01 ISK war but we get a much more brutal small order war, which let’s no room for humans.

I may add, I never had an issue with 0.01 ISKers or trade bots. IMO a liquid market is more important for EvE than trying to remove all trade bots (which the change won’t do).

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What do you think happens to the bot when it placed a small order, and 1 min afterwards someone else place another small order ? I can foresee three possible reactions, in which of them the bot is at loss :

  1. it does nothing and your bot is useless (human do the same)
  2. it reduces the price of the order and so loses money (can go down to losing a lot of money if done repeatedly)
  3. it places a new even smaller order. But then if another order is placed, or the previous order is reduced, it has 2 orders that are frozen, therefore reducing its ability to trade. Successive cuts will eat into the trade slots, until the bot is left with nothing to do - typically by another bot.

I’m not saying bots won’t still be a thing. I’m saying, they won’t make as much profit as they can do now - unless they are alone on the market, and thus any human user would do the same.
Also you can replace bot by 0.01isker, since those two are functionally the same (no brain, just repeated same activity - and that’s the goal)

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The strategy is simple. You just need to maximize the number of small orders going through without modification. This will offset the few that get stuck where you lose the fee / slot.

This will start with a “probing phase” to get into the sweet spot, then you replace every filled order immediately by a new. If you get outbid, you Probe again.

A fight for bots and algorithms.

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Can you answer the question, and not claim you did while you did not ?

What happens when two bots are on the same order eg to sell an item ? Do they sacrifice the orders they placed before ?