yes, just as subcap users are subject to titans HAW removal.
Does not mean it will “make things more cumbersome” for the people who “did not care about 0.01 iskers”.
These changes will have the effect CCP described as intended, and what most players expect.
Nobody cares.
If you really were betting on it, you would not say so , on the opposite you would make people do what gives you more money : the opposite of what you bet on.
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Most players in this thread expect that everything will be bad.
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So market gaming mechanismes will be same boring than other games.
Too bad, EVE was really a very good game for that.
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Fully agree with you, the relist tax is not managable on a human point of view with more than 10 items on the market.
It will took too much time.
CCP is preparing a market crunch and the game will loose probably is major added value functionnality never existing in other games.
Sad to see this.
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Or people will adapt and HTFU.
Man the salt here is deep, can opens few mines. Adapt or die girls.
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hi mate. i could adapt to play super mario too. but this is eve online
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Maybe you should play super mario.
The entire thread is people discussing how they might adapt?
Well, that, and people parroting “adapt or die” over and over.
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i estimate 5-10% of posts ITT have had constructive discussions about how to adapt with the bulk of the rest being riffs on “i dont like change”
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Simple way to adapt to the relist fee: keep track of the total amount of relist fees you accumulate. Divide that into the total isk amount of your orders. Now you’ve got a percentage; add that percentage to the spread you need for an order to be profitable, the same way you did with regular broker fees+sales tax before. Do this separately on the buy/sell sides because the broker fees are so different.
That’s what will happen; people will calculate the cost, buy/sell spreads will increase to include it, and off we go. Probably take a few months for it to stabilize but shrug
Yep, I’d imagine the graph for the Jita market would be the inverse of the one shown, and Amarr would not be much different.
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hi mate. i could adapt to play super mario too. but this is eve online
There are certain posters who seem to be here solely to do a combination of trolling while cheerleading and arguing for CCP decisions, no matter what they are. I’m sure WoW/Blizzard has the same thing. But they contribute nothing of value to the actual discussion, serving only to try to counter anyone that doesn’t agree with CCP’s direction.
I scroll past them in order to engage with forum posters that are actually conversing, so as not to give them any of my time of day.
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If the bots would leave or stop this change would be GODSEND for us.
I predict that bots will remain and the competition against bots become even harder. They will adjust their bots to do a more complex calculations of the margins and then execute changes much faster. While we have to calculate our margins for every change we want to make to orders.
You don’t think we cheer when we don’t need play the 0.1 game anymore, and instead of updating hundreds of orders daily use our time figuring out better deals?
That we don’t cheer when bots are removed?
This is a good example of how easy it will be for a bot to make a decision but for a human with hundreds of orders almost impossible. We are talking about a new dimension of calculations that do not exist now. The spread is calculated when one creates the orders, when lowering or increasing the price minutely there is no need to recalculate. After the change the item that is going to be changed need to be revisited, the new fee added, and a decision be made. This done for hundreds of orders.
Bots will demolish us.
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You don’t do it on every order. Start now with a simple count of order creations and order changes; don’t even bother with isk, just how many times you adjust the average order. That’ll get you a starting figure for when the change hits. Work with that figure for, I dunno, a week, then calculate properly from your wallet history. It’s a spreadsheet, but not a hugely complicated one. Keep recalcing every week or so. This is… maybe an hour to set up the shert, maybe 15 mins to recalc? Work, but not THAT much work.
You’ll end up adjusting some orders “too many” times, and losing a bit. But it’s an AVERAGE; half the time you’ll adjust less and gain from that. Except for that weekly recalc you never have to think about relist fees again, you’re just looking for a 15% buy/sell spread instead of 10%, or whatever.
Like wise theres sadfaced Karens like you who think any change kills the game because… Made up reason.
Try telling a joke, smiling or not shouting at your kids today
You might find you like it.
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Says the one who is making personal attacks and not contributing to the actual discussion. So you are considering yourself as a troll ?
You literally don’t.
This is not. It is an incomplete example, and the devil is in details : this does not answer my question about what happens when two bots meet, and in your case it means they will be stuck very fast, which is a good thing.
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Pretty much this. It will have unforeseen effects, likely bad for the majority of players.
I have a few ideas how to exploit these upcoming changes, how I can carve out some new niches in certain products and some strategies to pvp the market harder than ever before. One idea is to very aggressively manipulate the market down hard, like listing abandon-able sized orders at close to zero profit to wreck the market profitability on certain products and fatigue others out of it, then once it’s dry/quieter I’ll grab a brief window to earn some big isk before botters/others move in. It’ll take a lot of isk and stock (which I’m hoarding in anticipation for). That’s one of the more obvious tactics I’m sure others are considering too, I have a few other ideas I’m going to keep to myself.
I believe I’ll probably do ok out of all this, hell I might even do better from these changes. But I still think the changes are poorly thought out in their current form for most players. It’s likely going to be very bad for the health of the economy generally, and the ones that will suffer the most out of all this are going to be the less experienced / noob traders having a go, which is a bit sad for the game generally as it will become an even more exclusive activity and a less common play style.
Non-traders that need to simply buy/sell direct to the market will get shafted the most out of this imo, I (and I’m sure many others) will be manipulating the market to get favorable prices, and then gouging them hard to offset the costs of these new taxes, taking advantage from the weaker competition, scarcity and big price swings.
My gut feeling is it will be better for me, and worse for the game. And I’d prefer they prioritized the game itself over the 0.1-1% of traders like me that can likely make it work in our favor.
Age of chaos indeed.
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