Bug, exploit, or scammer paradise?

Go to a lot of countries that claim to be metric - ask to see the measuring cups in their kitchen. Or, go to a hardware store and look at pipe sizes or lumber dimensions. These righteous metric justice warriors are not quite as pure as they claim to be.

Although, the Germans do excel at trolling the English speakers of the world with their, often unpronounceable, literal approach to naming new things.

but they do fine beer and pork products … and cars

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I know all about the beer and local cuisine, I lived there for many years as a child and have friends that live there currently.

Lidl is a godsend for German meaty stuff here in the UK.

That is interesting to know :).

It just seems that the progression in the numbers´ names in the short scale seem to be more natural or intuitive to me for some reason :).

its awesome , never visit german but it looks so nice
here in brasil we have a lot diferent etinic groups and miscegenation , so we eat sushi in the lunch, feijoada in the diner , Wurst mit Sauerkraut tomorrow , its kinda nice :cut_of_meat: :meat_on_bone: :cut_of_meat:

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It´s not really different in Germany though. While we still have lot´s of restaurants which offer more traditional dishes, alltogether we pretty much eat food and have restaurants that serve dishes from all across the world.

One of our best regional events however is our local “Biermarkt”. It´s basically just a whole weekend where we put up like 30 different beer booth with beer from different parts of the world + of course lot´s of food :).

Trying to taste all different beers in one day, always makes me regret it the next 2 days :rofl:

Sadly this year it won´t happen…

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:frowning: sad indeed

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Personally the 3,400.00 Billion makes sense to me but I’m from one of those countries that has the comma for thousands and the decimal point for less than one.

Having a contract list of:
5.90 Billion
6.00 Billion
3,400.00 Billion

Makes the scam stand out more for me than the alternative you’re suggesting:

5.90 Billion
6.00 Billion
3.40 Trillion

The thing in this thread that really surprises me though is that are you folks who have the comma and decimal place the other way around still forced to see numbers in our format? I would have thought EVE would have some sort of number localisation option so you could choose whether a number is displayed as 3,400.00 or 3.400,00?

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aaand that’s exactly why one should read contracts very carefully several times before accepting…

Sorry, but it’s caveat emptor for 17 years already, cousin.

It’s less important that CCP put padding everywhere someone might possibly bump themselves , and more important for we players to remember that our…desire for a “bargain” will be exploited by our fellow players regardless of what CCP might run around padding…unless they change the fundamental nature of the game.

p.s. - Wanna buy some cheap Geckos?

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That is 3,400 Billions… which is indeed 3.4 Trillion.

Not a bug. Yes a scam. Arguably an exploit… But CCP picks and chooses what is or isn’t an exploit depending on the wind of a few select alliances.

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I don’t know why you placed that image, I don’t care, but I like it.

Who’s the actor ?

Judging by all the posts of people who have a hard time mining in highsec of all places lately I would say we already had a few iterations of that.

This is not a scam or bug, this is evidence that the school system failed to teach this person basic math.

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“When in Rome, do as Romans do!” (proverb)
“В чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят” (Russian variant of the same proverb)

In any case, CCP needs to change number format to add an option for scientific notation then there would be no way to confuse 1.0e+9 with 1.0e+12 in prices AND the number of zeroes are already calculated for you for ease of use! This makes even more sense since CCP changed market pricing to 3 significant digits…

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Yes, and CCP should also use hexadecimal system instead of decimal, because it’s easier to handle the numbers after decimal sep.

Also go from kisk base value to kiisk (remember : 1ki = 2^10 = 1024 while 1k=1000)

They can ask Microsoft engineers for that change :smiley:

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Engineers are not always right… just take standard Harddrive measurements; the standard is that it takes (based off the metric-system) 1000 to get 1 ( 1000kB = 1MB, 1000MB = 1GB… etc.); now for those that know the basics for the binary-numbers and how data is stored know that this is totally wrong… 8bit = 1 Byte and then it goes to 1024 to get 1 (1024 byte = 1kB, 1024kB = 1MB… etc.)

this is why harddrives will alway have smaller capacity than what is written on the label (and in the description on the store’s page).

There is nothing wrong with how CCP have chosen to display numbers, which is the general way that most countries have it, comma = thousand separator and point = decimal separator. I can understand the frustration, but if you apply some common sense to the numbers, EVE always round up to the nearest 2-decimal’s place, so when the game write 3,400 billion why would you then assume it meant “3.4”?, it goes against all accounting logic. The specific contract may be a scam but no harm done, atleast not for the OP, as he mentioned he did not have enough to fulfill the contract.

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Should have been showed in Trillions to avoid any miscomunication.

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No it’s not.
1kB = 1000 B (=10^3)
1kiB = 1024 B (=2^10)

Harddrives are actually expressed in the correct number of bytes, becasue it’s better for them to express on base 1000 than base 1024 (makes the number bigger) . So the number written on the hard drives is actually correct.
The incorrect one is the number written in the OS that are made by people who want to rewrite the wheel and claim they were the first one to build it.

The only reason to use base 1024 is because it’s a binary ■■■■ to the right(kB = B>>10), so faster to perform than a real division (takes one cycle instead of like 5). but the gain is just stupidly bad with the loss of precision on bigger sizes. It was okay to have 1024/1000 loss of precision( so +2.4% for kB), but for MB it became(1024/1000)² = +4.8%, for GB it’s 7.4%, and for TB it’s 10% error, and PB 12.6%.

That’s just wrong. You think they have smaller capacity because you are used to base 1024 for no reason other than being told to, while it’s been proven already (see nasa in 2007) that using standardized unit is required to avoid conversion issues(so base 1024 prefixes will need to go).
Creating non-standard numeral system only leads in making more errors.

BTW my post was ironic. Of course CCP should not use hexadecimal base.

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