Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

(Chainsaw Plankton) #408

I used to fly an ECM garmur and never saw a logi fall behind unless jammed, sounds like a very unreliable tactic.

on that note no idea how ECM works vs burners anymore.

(Eru GoEller) #409

“on that note no idea how ECM works vs burners anymore.”

From the patch notes for 16th October:

"## Patch Notes For October 2018 Release 1.3

Released on Tuesday, October 16th 2018

Defect Fixes:


  • Fixed an issue preventing characters whose account transfers were canceled from being usable.
  • Fixed an issue where ECM fighters could not be targeted when jamming.
  • Fixed an issue where NPC Logistic ships were able to target other NPCs while being jammed."
(Lord Rolfski) #410

I actually wrote my comment here the same day I tested it. Be advised though, I’ve only tested this tactic once on the Jaguar team burner mission. So I might have gotten lucky here with the way the NPC’s were lined up and behaved.

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(Qberty Thoth) #411

Hello with the new update, I ran some more tests with fits for Guristas Anomic Base.
So I came up with this fit
[Gila, Guristas Base]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Corpum C-Type Medium Energy Nosferatu
Corpum C-Type Medium Energy Nosferatu
Corpum C-Type Medium Energy Nosferatu
Corpii C-Type Small Energy Nosferatu
Corpii C-Type Small Energy Nosferatu

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Drone Speed Augmentor II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Infiltrator II x10

Tracking Speed Script x2

I managed to get this mission down to 12 minutes better than the muninn and on par with the vigilant at least.
You just need to nos the dragonfly to keep them from aggroing your drones web one dragonfly and let your drones dish out damage (20 sec to kill a dragonfly) meanwhile slowboat your way to the antero when you killed the last dragonfly of the first wave. You should be within 20-25km of the antero when you get to 20km nos the antero while you kill the mantises. Deploy MTU and depot. Rinse and repeat.
I think I can do better with better drone management and piloting.

(Tater-nuts) #413

Hi, just wondering how many other players are using a Harpy to run the Serpentis base? I was very surprised at how well it works against the Talos. My times are around 10 min. and seem to be getting a tiny bit faster each time. For a ship and fittings that only costs 45 mil, it is a very good deal.

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(Birk Ernaga) #414

Hey did you update your guides recently ?

I may run lvl4 with 2 friends, I’m pretty sure the Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base could be done with Feroxs.
Could there be other burner doable with cheaper fits with the number of people ?

(Anderson Geten) #415

team burners can be done with a hookbill ; and faster with a griffin jamming the RR.

(Chainsaw Plankton) #416

Team burners can be done with just about anything that kites, beam retributions do very good dps at range, kite harpies are decent, anything that can fit missiles, kestrel, hookbill, garmur, hawk or whatever. and as said a dedicated ECM ship like a griffin or kitsune should help a bunch too.

For most agents I think you’ll want at least one daredevil as the 90% web is super nice to have, but any AF that has an appropriate tank will add some cheaper dps that should apply with a DD web or two. could probably do some stuff with other faction frigs too. Angel and sansha should go pretty well as long as you get at least 1 DD 90%+ web on it. sansha can also be done pretty easily with a wolf, so with 3 should go very well.

Blood I’d probably just run 3x wolf, but since there are 3 of you, probably don’t need as expensive setups. Someone had a cheap SAAR + 400mm plate setup.
Serpentis: with 3 I’d think any caldari or gallente AF should work with their resists. rocket hawk would be my first pick, and with 3 of you cheap fits will work fine. Rail enyo used to be a solo option, but multiple tank buffs I don’t think it works, but with 3 it should easily work. Also have seen something about a blaster harpy but haven’t tried it.
Guristas: I’d go with one fast ship that goes in first and goes for tackle, and the other two can be pretty much damage fit. succubus, daredevil, beam retribution, and the enyo are all probably easy options that are fast and high damage.

As far as the bases go
Angel not really sure what works other than a vigilant, so I’d take one, and could back it up with feroxes. with only feroxes I don’t think you will be able to get good hits, but also I’ve never tried it. RLML + light drone prophecies would probably also work if you really want to keep it cheap.
Blood I’d probably throw 3 drakes at it, spread out a little to get some webs on the sents and kill em with hams then get the ashimmu. 3x gila will be even faster
Serpentis 100mn cruisers or 50mn hacs probably your easiest bet. or hell since there are 3 of you run BCs and each pick one and MJD at it
Guristas is something that might be easier with more people but their sig radius is so small they are hard to hit, don’t know that I have any great ideas for that. vigilant + extra damage with some target painters sounds easiest but you will probably need to carefully manage transversal even with the 90% webs.

(Anderson Geten) #417

I think 3 ishtars would be good for serp base, with wardens. One ishtar can solo tank the whole room ; the issue is moving and getting in rage.

considering base guristas, a ships with TP bonus would help a lot. also a vigilant.

(Zymadis) #418

Hi everyone,
Im back to the game, and running those burner missions, with sucess for 2 weeks now, but since yesterday just cant kill Talos burner on the anomic serpentis base mission. Same ship , same build, but something has changed. Im using a Vagabond cap stable build, that worked perfectly so far. But it doesnt seem to work anymore.
I was wondering, are you experiencing the same change on doing this anomic mission , or am i missing something?

(Anderson Geten) #419

how that ? you can’t break them ?
It happened several time already for me vs base angel. You just can’t break them, while usually you do every time.
Happened already several times, and usually I drop my drones, align, they switch target and I can warp off, but once they did not attack the drones and I died. Just cancel mission, and come in an indus to fetch mtu/depot.

However it never happened on base serpentis … yet.

(CowRocket Void) #420

If I had to guess its because you call fits builds

(Zymadis) #421

You were right. Just cancelled the mission, and wait for the next server maintenance, and it seems back to normal.
So it wasnt a fit issue nor a proceeding mistake. Weird.

(Anderson Geten) #422

Just did it and did not notice any change.

However I know for sure sometimes the burners are OP. I also had the issue with the agent angel twice I think.

(J Connrad) #423

I hate it when one of my favorite threads almost gets locked. So much useful info here for solo players.

(Nikky) #424

How accurate is http://games.chruker.dk in 2019 for the Burners ship stats?

Homepage says “Database: Mosaic (2015-05-02)” so I’m not sure how reliable it is.

I’ve been running Burners with a few fits from this thread but I want to see if I can improved them a bit so I need accurate stats for the Burner npcs. I keep hearing that at some point CCP buffed the Serpentis burner for example, but I’m not sure if the numbers in http://games.chruker.dk are pre-buff or post-buff.

(Anderson Geten) #425

source ?

(Nikky) #426

Start of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaKlsEjrsL0

(Chainsaw Plankton) #427

I’d link you patch notes but afaik the changes never even got patch notes. I think most of the changes were tank buffs I believe the serpentis one got two. I’d guess the latest changes would be in this thread (probably scroll up a few 100 posts) but I did find an easy reference to at least one tank buff in the old thread.

“Update 15.01.2015:
WARNING: CCP changed the Pirate Burner Daredevil, they upped the tank a lot and the recommended Enyo does not work anymore. It barely works with ALL V stats.”

(Chainsaw Plankton) #428

and that’s “Published on Oct 7, 2017” so probably a good idea of when the other tank buff happened.