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(Jori McKie) #1

Burner mission guide

Update 14.02.2018
CCP buffed the AF and HAC Dev Blog. All old setups still work but may be fine tuned to the new stats soon.

Full Burner mission guide with more details and alternative layouts

Transfer from old forum
Orignal Thread

Advice and fair warning

  • New to Burner Missions and never did them before? Then i strongly recommend to run them on the Testserver (Singularity) first until you are familiar with them.
  • Don’t blame anyone when your ship pops it’s usually your fault. Basic Rules tl:dr don’t get cocky when dealing with Burner. Burner missions are not your usual LvL 4 missions they are far more challenging. You’ll need rather good skills, sometimes pimped layouts and over-heating.
  • Many of you won’t have all V skills then stick with the more expansive pimped layouts until you know what you do

Special thanks to Ploing and Chainsaw Plankton for their help and Anize Oramara for her vids and guide.


Pirate Burner

Burner Dramiel Angel Agent – Daredevil (Unified Daredevil)
Burner Succubus Sansha Agent – Daredevil (Unified Daredevil)
Burner Worm Gurista Agent – Daredevil
Burner Cruor Blood Agent – Wolf
Burner Daredevil Serpentis Agent – Hawk

Alternative layouts

Burner Dramiel Angel Agent – Daredevil Cheap
Burner Succubus Sansha Agent – Daredevil Cheap
Burner Worm Gurista Agent – Daredevil Cheap


Team Burner

All Team Burner – Garmur

Alternative layouts

Burner Hawk Caldari Agent – Daredevil (Unified Daredevil)
Burner Vengeance Amarrian Agent – Daredevil (Unified Daredevil)
Burner Enyo Gallente Agent – Enyo
Burner Jaguar Matari Agent – Retribution


Base Burner

Burner Ashimmu Blood Base – Gila
Burner Talos Serpentis Base – Vagabond
Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base – Vigilant

Alternative layouts

Burner Ashimmu Blood Base – Cerberus
Burner Talos Serpentis Base – Deimos cheap
Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base – Vigilant cheap


Cap stable fits made by Chainsaw Plankton

Burner Dramiel Angel Agent – Succubus
Burner Succubus Sansha Agent – Daredevil EM Cap Stable
Burner Worm Gurista Agent – Daredevil Kin Cap Stable
Burner Cruor Blood Agent – Wolf
Burner Daredevil Serpentis Agent – Hawk
Burner Talos Serpentis Base – Vagabond
Burner Talos Serpentis Base - Deimos
Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base – Vigilant


Important Links


General Notes

  • All layouts were made with Pyfa and an all V character designed for fastest possible finishing the missions. No Implants are needed, no booster or drugs were used.
  • To optimize your kill speed or in case you can’t match the minimum tank use drugs to boost your tank and DPS
  • Don’t ask for Drone ship layouts, the AI likes Drones very much and on top of that is more or less erratic.

Downgrading modules

  • Be aware that most pimped layouts increase your margin of error a lot and allow for some minor mistakes. Downgrading layouts work most of the time but you also reduce your margin of error. Downgrading is useful in lowsec and nullsec and might be necessary in the face of ganking.
  • In pimped layouts with expansive damage mods/rigs you can always switch for cheaper ones. Sometimes you need to fix your CPU then via Implantat or CPU mod/rig.
  • This is only for professionals who know exactly how to use Pyfa:
    In pimped layouts with expansive armor tank modules you can most times switch for cheaper ones but in addition you have to replace damage mods with extra tank mods.
    In pimped layouts with expansive shield tank mods you can very rarely switch to cheap ones.
    Make sure after you switched modules that your tank is sufficient and you still have enough DPS to break the Burner tank. Use Pyfa to compare the layouts.

Old links with outdated layouts


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(Jori McKie) #2

Pirate Burner

Burner Dramiel - Angel Agent

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Dramiel - Daredevil Unified]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Core B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Stasis Webifier II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~45sec
  • DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min
  • OH both hardeners while in warp.You may have to OH your repair module. OH your guns at optimal

Burner Succubus - Sansha Agent

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Succubus - Daredevil Unified]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor EM Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: 1:17min
  • DPS: 432 Void+hot ~2:30min
  • You need a web that has 16 km range with OH.
  • OH your hardener while in warp. On landing OH your web and OH your AB, close the distance and OH guns at optimal

###Burner Worm - Gurista Agent

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Worm - Daredevil]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Microwarpdrive
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Ancillary Current Router I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: 1:58min
  • DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min
  • Speed: 4641m/s, hot 6683m/s
  • You may use a scram (reduces Burner Worm’s speed to ~???) with more range or use a 60% web to reduce Burner Worm’s speed to ~360m/s.
  • OH both hardeners while in warp. On landing align for 2s and then start your MWD, OH your MWD in the 2nd cycle. Be very careful while closing in you have to OH your repair module. Shut down your MWD after the 2nd cycle and scram or web the Burner Worm. After your are in optimal adjust your speed +10% to the Burner Worm and keep at range in optimal. OH guns at optimal.

###Burner Cruor Blood Agent

[quote][Wolf, Burner Cruor - Wolf]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Corpii A-Type Thermal Plating
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Stasis Webifier II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
[empty high slot]
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S

Small Anti-Thermal Pump II
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II[/quote]

  • Time to kill: 3:15min
  • DPS: 311 Fusion, 347 Hail
  • Just switch to a T2 repair module and you have a cheap version.
  • The time to kill difference between using Fusion or Hail is negligible. Fusion has little more falloff and better tracking. Hail the better DPS
  • Slow boat straight away and a webbed Cruor should stay at ~3.7km, best DPS is always in 1/3 of falloff adjust you Ammo/layout to that. OH your repair module while you have cap. You may have to OH your cap booster.
  • Alternative cap stable layouts by Zarek Kree and Zekir Shardani

###Burner Daredevil Serpentis Agent

[quote][Hawk, Burner Daredevil - Hawk]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~1:06min
  • Pfya DPS: 268 Scourge Rage Rocket; 315 hot ~54s
  • Real DPS on the Burner Daredevil ~115 DPS
  • You have to OH your shield booster from time to time
  • You may want to use a mobile depot and switch 1x web for an AB or 2x webs for a MWD to get the loot faster.
  • You may switch the webs for cheaper 55% or expansive 60% webs but make sure you have enough range 12km without overheat.
  • Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II vs Small Bay Loading Accelerator II, 4 DPS difference is negligible but with a WCC you need less Rockets.
  • Alternative hawk layout with T2 rockets read this old post and adapt the layout
  • Alternative cap stable layout by Zarek Kree

Pirate Burner Alternative layouts

###Burner Dramiel - Daredevil Cheap Alternative

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Dramiel - Daredevil Cheap Alternative]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Small Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Stasis Webifier II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: <1 min
  • OH both explosive hardeners while in warp.You may have to OH all hardeners and your repair module.
  • DPS: 294 Void+hot ~2:30min

###Burner Succubus - Daredevil Cheap Alternative

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Succubus - Daredevil Cheap Alternative]
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: < 2min
  • You need a web that has 16 km range with OH.
  • OH both hardeners while in warp. On landing OH your web and OH your AB, while closing in you have to OH your repair module.
  • DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min

###Burner Worm - Daredevil Cheap Alternative

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Worm - Daredevil Cheap Alternative]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Ancillary Current Router I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: < 3min
  • Warning use this layout at your own risk. You need very good cap and heat management skills. If you don’t like the mixed guns use 2x Light Ion Blaster II.
  • You may use a scram (reduces Burner Worm’s speed to ~???) with more range or use a 60% web to reduce Burner Worm’s speed to ~360m/s.
  • OH both hardeners while in warp. On landing align for 2s and then start your MWD, OH your MWD in the 2nd cycle. Be very careful while closing in you have to OH your Small Ancillary Armor Repairer and run your repair module. Shut down your MWD after the 2nd cycle and scram or web the Burner Worm. After your are in optimal adjust your speed +10% to the Burner Worm and keep at range in optimal.
  • DPS: 285 Void+hot ~2:30min
  • Speed: 4538m/s, hot 6529m/s

(Jori McKie) #3

Team Burner

  • All Burner warp in at 40km, all Burner Logis and Burner Assault Ships have standard ingame resistance profiles. Always and i mean always kill at least 1x Logi Burner first.
  • Using a brawling setup:
    AB+web is mandatory, make sure your webbed+heated AB speed is at least +200 m/s faster than a webbed Burner Logi. In case you can’t match the Burner speed with your AB use a T2 speed rig or an A-Type AB or speed imps like Zor’s Custom Navigation Hyper-Link
  • Using Kiting setup special advise:
    Be advised one mistake in range control aka getting webbed (web range is ~14km) by Burner Assault Ships = instant death, no escape. Use kiting setups on your own risk.

All Team Burner - Garmur

  • DPS 321 hot ~1:21min
  • Works vs every Team Burner
  • Make sure your orbit is at least 20km and vs Burner Jaguar at least 25km better 30km because of the very rare wrecking shots.
  • Missile range with standard faction is 29.7km in case you need more use T2 Javelins against Logis or against the Jaguar
  • Missile usage:
    Mjolnir > Hawk, Bantam, Burst
    Nova > Enyo, Navitas, Inquisitor
    Inferno > Vengeance
    Scourge > Jaguar

[quote][Garmur, Team Burner pimped]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Phased Scoped Target Painter

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I[/quote]

[quote][Garmur, Team Burner cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Phased Scoped Target Painter
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I[/quote]

Team Burner Alternative layouts

Burner Hawk - Daredevil

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Hawk - Daredevil Unified]
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~3:22min
  • On landing no OH needed, log the closest Logi and burn to it with OH AB when in range OH web. Same with the 2nd Logi or kill the Hawk.
  • DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min

Burner Vengeance - Daredevil

[quote][Daredevil, Burner Vengeance - Daredevil Unified]
Core B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~2:20min
  • On landing OH 1x Hardener, log the closest Logi and burn to it with OH AB when in range OH web. Kill the Vengeance next no need to kill the 2nd Logi.
  • DPS: 432 Void+hot ~2:30min

Burner Enyo - Enyo

[quote][Enyo, Burner Enyo - Enyo]
Core A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Core A-Type Armor Thermal Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II

Warrior II x1[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~3:28min
  • On landing no OH needed, log the closest Logi and burn to it with OH AB when in range OH web. Use your Drone. Kill the the 2nd Logi or kill the Enyo.
  • DPS: 377 Void+hot ~1:23min
  • Speed: 1178m/s, hot 1556m/s; under web 471m/s, hot 622m/s

Burner Jaguar - Retribution

[quote][Retribution, Burner Jaguar - Retribution]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Core B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Khanid Navy Stasis Webifier

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II[/quote]

  • Time to kill: < 4min

(Jori McKie) #4

Base Burner


Burner Ashimmu Blood Base - Gila

[quote][Gila, Burner Ashimmu pimped]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Vespa I x10[/quote]

  • Time to kill avrg. 3:06
  • You will lose Drones so TII Drones setups aren’t cost-efficient. TI Drones work fine on the Gila and are cost and time efficient.
  • As usual NPC AI is weird there is no guarantee that the AI behaviour will last. Be warned if the AI changes you might lose this Gila setup because tank isn’t sustainable. Again this setup works only because Drones will be targeted and DPS taken away from your Gila.
  • After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first.
  • You don’t have to avoid the NOS/Neut on the Ashimmu as your Omnidirectional Tracking Link II only need 0.1 cap, you can always switch it back on.
  • You may want to use a mobile depot and start with 2x INDDA and 1x CNBC when you are in reload switch to 3x INDDA. Switch to a MWD after if you want to loot.
  • DPS
    403 with Vespa I + 229 (with reloads 157) Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile vs Sentinel
    403 with Vespa I + 280 (with reloads 192) Caldari Scourge Fury Light Missile vs Ashimmu
  • Tank
    63.5k EHP with 13844 shield hitpoints vs 72:28 EM:The
    261 DPS passive recharge at peak
  • Speed 244m/s

Burner Talos Serpentis Base - Vagabond

[quote][Vagabond, Burner Talos pimped]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Overdrive Injector System II
Damage Control II

Corelum B-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5[/quote]

  • Time to kill avrg. 5:22min (includes looting)
  • Do not approach any Talos directly, always use a zig-zag course to get close to ~60km then get into orbit. Never shut down your repair modul while approaching, shut it down when you are in orbit.
  • Cap managment is most important make sure you inject your charges in time.
  • Put some nanite paste in your cargo, OH your MWD/AB while approaching and repair while in orbit killing the Talos. Do the same with guns just vice versa.
  • The most difficult thing is to get into orbit, shut down your MWD early enough and use Ctrl+Spacebar to set speed to 0. Try to avoid overshooting with your ship, you will get a feeling for that, it is just trial and error.
  • The pimped Vagabond works very well but be aware that you have to actively manage your tank and cap. That makes the rep, OH and cap managment more stressful.
  • The Vagabond has less DPS than the Deimos but way better speed, you need less time to close the range but more time to kill the Talos. In the end you gain ~1min.
  • To get close use orbit 5km and immediately switch to keep at range 5km, align to and slowboat to 1.5km. Only heat your 425mm when you are aligned and if you don’t have to reapir your MWD. The close range makes looting more easier too.
  • DPS
    623 Hail + 99 Hobgoblin II
    696 Hail hot ~1:05min + 99 Hobgoblin II
  • Tank
    EHP 17.6k
    792 perma vs Spike L
  • Speed 2759m/s hot 3931m/s

Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base - Vigilant

[quote][Vigilant, Burner Angel pimped]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Core B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Acolyte I x10[/quote]

  • Time to kill ~2:35min
  • Small Drones will be targeted immediately, you can use TI Drones (Hornets) as sacrifice to lower the DPS on you or Acolyte to do extra DPS. Initial DPS to tank is ~450 without using sacrificial Drones. Using sacrificial Drones you don’t need tank at all but i won’t recommend that.
  • This setup is based on not using Drones at all. The Acolyte will do extra DPS and are sacrificial Drones if you want to use them.
  • You can use a full T2 setup but then you have to overheat your armor rep and hardener at the start while using sacrificial Drones otherwise your tank will be not sufficient.
  • Use a mobile depot and start with 3x T2 webs after you finished the Dramiels switch 1x web for a MWD.
  • DPS
    762 + 66 Acolyte I
    877 Void hot ~1:20min + 66 Acolyte I
  • Tank
    EHP 27.3k
    484 perma vs Escort Dramiel
  • Speed 2104m/s hot 3012m/s

Base Burner - Alternative layouts

Burner Ashimmu - Cerberus Alternative

[quote][Cerberus, Burner Ashimmu - Cerberus Alternative]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Hornet I x3[/quote]

  • Time to kill: < 4:30min
  • After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first.
  • The tank calculation is tricky because Ashimmu and Sentinel have a different DPS Profile. These are minimum numbers and work only if you kill the Sentinels first and fast.
  • X-Large ASB + minimum 48k EHP better 52k EHP vs Ashimmu profile with a large shield buffer
  • X-Large ASB + minimum 38k EHP better 42k EHP vs Combined Profile with a large shield buffer
  • If you don’t have these tank numbers with your skills the setup do not work as you won’t survive the ASB reload. Always OH your ASB and make sure your shield is as close to 100% as possible when you used your last ASB charge so you will survive the reload.
  • Always kill the Sentinels first and OH your RLML, launch your Drones after you are aggroed by the Ashimmu+Sentinel. Make sure that the 1st Sentinel dies with the 20 charges on your RLML + Drones, if not you won’t survive the reload as the DPS is too high.
  • Try to orbit the Ashimmu as good as possible.
  • Very safe version switch Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II to Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
  • DPS:
    532 (with reloads 309) Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile with 24 explo radius vs Sentinel + 42 Hornet I
    650 (with reloads 378) Scourge Fury Light Missile with 41.4 explo radius vs Ashimmu + 42 Hornet I
  • Tank:
    56.5k EHP vs Ashimmu DPS
    33.1k EHP vs Sentinel DPS
    42.9k EHP vs combined and 1045 EHP/s OH shield boost
  • Speed 275m/s

Burner Talos - Deimos cap stable Alternative

[quote][Deimos, Burner Talos - Deimos cap stable Alternative]
Core B-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Corelum B-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Cap Recharger II
Phased Scoped Target Painter

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II

Valkyrie II x5[/quote]

  • Time to kill: ~6:38min (includes looting)
  • Do not approach any Talos directly, always use a zig-zag course to get close to ~60km then get into orbit. Never shut down your repair module while approaching, shut it down when you are in orbit.
  • The most difficult thing is to get into orbit, shut down your MWD early enough, use Ctrl+Spacebar to set speed to 0. Try to avoid overshooting with your ship, you will get a feeling for that, it is just trial and error. To get close use orbit 5km and immediately switch to keep at range 5km, align to and slowboat to 1.5km. Only heat your Blaster when you are aligned and if you don’t have to repair your MWD. The close range makes looting more easier too. Put some nanite paste in your cargo, OH your MWD/AB while approaching and repair while in orbit killing the Talos. Do the same with guns just vice versa.
  • DPS:
    904 Void + 129 Valkyrie II
    1021 Void hot ~1:15min + 129 Valkyrie II
  • Tank:
    35k EHP
    923 EHP/s cap stable vs Spike L
  • Speed 1977m/s hot 2822m/s

Burner Escort Dramiel - Vigilant Cheap Alternative

[quote][Vigilant, Burner Angel - Vigilant Cheap Alternative]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Hornet I x10[/quote]

  • Time to kill: < 3min
  • This setup is based on using sacrificial Drones. This full T2 setup requires to overheat all hardener and both repair modules at the start while Drones are targeted otherwise your tank will be not sufficient. 4x Burner Escort Dramiel are attacking you, initial DPS: to tank is ~450 without using sacrificial Drones. Each Dramiel does ~112 DPS after you killed the first one, tanking is easy.
  • Double or triple web with your 90% webs one Dramiel and use keep at range at optimal DPS.
  • Use a mobile depot and start with 3x T2 webs after you finished the Dramiels switch 1x web for a MWD.
  • DPS:
    730 + 70 Hornet I
    840 Void hot ~1:20min + 70 Hornet I
  • Tank:
    25k EHP
    266 EHP/s perma vs Escort Dramiel

(Jori McKie) #5

Basic Rules and some special ones. I didn’t lose any Frigates to Burner for a long time then it snowballed. Losses right now are 3x Garmur, 3x Daredevil and 1x Wolf. I can’t remember all losses in detail but i know what caused them. Burner are unforgiving one big mistake and you are dead.

So here they are … rules:

  • Do not deal with Burners when you are tired, drunk or stoned you will forget something important like to use your MWD, rep etc.
  • Before you enter the room make sure you have the correct Frigate to deal with the Burner. Double check it every damn time.
  • Do not enter a Team Burner again/alone in a kiting setup after you lost a Frigate. The NPCs will be at ZERO and kill you again.
  • Do not get cocky in any way like “i could let the armor/shield drop a little lower to spare cap booster”, a wrecking shot will hit and kill you.
  • Always and i mean always double check that all mods are activated/deactivated and heated if necessary even if you aren’t tired. In plain english do not burn out your mods.

I lost ships to all 5 rules at least once ignoring them willfully. Especially losing to rule 2 is hilarious when you notice what just happened.


(Zarek Kree) #6

Thanks for bringing this over to the new forums. Was always my favorite thread on the old forums.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #7

Cap Stable Setups
I was recently made very interested in this topic as my connection has been a bit off lately, and well I’ve found an unexpected benefit, It is very easy to dual box with cap stable setups. Any efficiency loss from using less heat, or dropping a damage mod is easily made up for by running a second account in another burner mission at the same time.

These were mostly started by Zarek Kree in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6885093 Also a few fits may have been stolen, or loosely recreated from the old burner thread If anyone wants credit for a fit let me know.

I’ve tested them all with pretty much max skills, not sure how many substitutions can be made for lower skills. I’ve tried to make the setups reasonably cheap. Shop around As I’m writing this an a-type EM hardener is cheaper than any of the available B-types in jita.

Implants
I also use 5% or better implants
slot 6: Warp speed ws-615
slot 7: Ogdin’s Eye Coordination Enhancer (6% tracking implant at 5% prices)
slot 8: Zor’s Custom Navigation Hyper-Link
slot 9: ss-905 5% to all turret damage implant.
slot 10: is actually empty or not applicable in the tests I’ve done, Previously I used large energy turret implant, thought of swapping to a large projectile implant, but I think I’m going to recommend the RL-1005 to speed up garmur and hawk kill times.

The Daredevil used against the Succubus can also be used for the amarr team burner mission, Ram and kill one logi frig, then ram and kill the vengance. For that mission I prefer it to the garmur, for whatever reason the logi seem to be the hardest of all to kill with a garmur, but the daredevil beats them nice and quick. For all other team burners I use the garmur.

Edits:

  1. Updated succubus vs Angel fit, added a bit more damage lost some tank. Back to older more cap stable safer fit due to burner changes.
  2. Swapped from b-type 50mn mwds to faction, Shadow Serpentis or Fed navy work and are far cheaper.
  3. Added implant list
  4. Updated Hawk fit pithum->pithi booster frees up a lot of cap and allows for damage rigs
  5. Updated Wolf fit, Swapped CCC for Falloff rig Might not be fully cap stable.
  6. Added Assault damage control to vagabond fit.
  7. Added a few more gank focused fits, and some small edits.
  8. added a setup for the gurista base with a video in this post Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

Burner Dramiel Angel Agent – Succubus

[Succubus, Burner - Angels]
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Stasis Webifier II
Gistum B-type Medium Shield Booster
Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II

When you land target the Burner Dramiel and wait for it to lock you then turn on the AB and align out in a straight line. Once you get the Burner Dramiel webbed you will be faster and it will follow you in a straight line. Set your speed to match, heat your guns, and collect loot.

Burner Dramiel Angel Agent – Daredevil

[Daredevil, Shield Buffer Angel]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II

Stasis Webifier II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

Pure gank DD, Heat the guns, keep range, enjoy the 500+ dps, and don’t screw up! props to @hateless for this fit idea. Also check between RF and CN on the MSE buy whichever is cheaper.

Burner Succubus Sansha Agent – Daredevil EM Cap Stable

[Daredevil, Cap Stable vs Burner Succubus]
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpus B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Warp in, turn on the web, may need to heat for a cycle or two, and ram the burner with your guns hot, get loot. I also use this fit vs the Amarr team, seems a bit faster than the garmur.

Burner Worm Gurista Agent – Daredevil Kin Cap Stable

[Daredevil, Cap Stable vs Burner Worm]
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II

Land turn mwd on, ram and scram. I typically heat the MWD for the second cycle. If you heat on the first it tends to allow a double tap from the missiles and that hurts.

Burner Cruor Blood Agent – Wolf

[Wolf, huehue cap build falloff]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer

‘Censer’ Medium Cap Battery
Stasis Webifier II

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II

Might not be fully cap stable, Can swap falloff rig for a t1 CCC to be extra safe.

keep range 6km or so, turn on guns, can heat with around 25% armor left. The coreli rep is nice and cheap and reps enough, the fit does work with a centii/corpii rep too.

Burner Daredevil Serpentis Agent – Hawk

[Hawk, Agent Serpentis Daredevil]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

credit to Twekki for this fit Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

I usually hit approach and it lets me get okay hits with the gun, matching transversal via manual piloting might be better but hey I’m lazy.

with max skills, 5% rof implant, and a faction BCU you can one clip the DD with heat. Using an agency damage booster also helps, can kill it with 8-9 rockets left.

Anomic Base
Burner Ashimmu Blood Base – Gila
I haven’t tested this one, I typically find it annoying to run and the payout has dropped over time. The gila is cap stable by default, however it does not have the tank to survive a disconnect. I’ve played with a cap battery ham sacrilege in eft but never got around to testing it.

I tested a cerb fit, It worked but I don’t know that I’d recommend it. details in this post Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

Burner Talos Serpentis Base – Vagabond

[Vagabond, Burners cap stable]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Assault Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy 50MN Microwarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior I x5

This is almost the same fit as the cap boosted version, just loses a little speed. The assault damage control adds some safety on demand

[Deimos, Burner Talos Stable Dual Rep]
Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Reactive Armor Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer

Shadow Serpentis 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Phased Scoped Target Painter

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Valkyrie I x5

Alternate fit, Lots of extra tank, no idea how much is actually needed though.

Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base – Vigilant

[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base cap battery safe fit]
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Reactive Armor Hardener
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5

Bring a 50mn MWD, mobile depot, and MTU, I drop the mobile items at warp in then start killing the drams and launch your drones and put them on the transport. once the drams are down refit the battery for the MWD, scoop the structures + loot, then go finish off and loot the transport.

This will complete the mission but I’m not sure it would survive a disconnect early on in the mission, once one or two of the drams are down it’s safe though. I did a test fit with x-type hardeners and an a-type rep, which seemed DC safe, but that just gets silly expensive. Heating one of the hardeners on the outside seems to be somewhat safe, hopefully gives you enough time to get back in.

[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base cap battery gank fit]

Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5

this is a less DC survivable version, but very gank focused. Pretty much the original fit only swaps the cap injector for a battery.


Anomic Missions STEALTH Buffed without any warning!
Blitz and Burner Guide v1.2.3
Market was fun, what's next?
Running Missions
PvE Roundtable - Saturday 31st of March
Carebear trying to figure out skill plan
Marauders
Making Isk with missions?
(Zarek Kree) #8

Dual boxing with cap stable fits is a good idea. Have you made any timed runs to see what kind of isk efficiency you can achieve? I keep resisting the urge to spin up another omega account but I’m starting to see more and more reasons why it may be worth it. Cloaky scout, cyno alt and now burner buddy.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #9

not yet, only did it for a few hours as proof of concept. Also one character was grinding standings in a non-optimal system, so there is a ton of room for improvement. Going 3-5 jumps for burners really slows things down.

I also tested a smartbomb ship for the angel base. Used a cyclone with a large booster and 7x faction smartbombs. It was great on the tank, however the burner drams can easily lose interest and go after your drones. Also with smartbombs you get a weapons timer so you have to wait 1m to refit after you kill the drams. Not to mention if someone wants to get you concorded they likely will. My character only had the smartbomb skill to 2, so I trained it to 4 and will give it another try next time I get it, Maybe the extra dps means they will stay on me and not go after the drones?


(Anize Oramara) #11

Never did use SBs much but I have been training them recently. What build are you guys using? I’d love to do some comparisons, look at completion times and maybe add the build to my guide as well. Is Faction SBs required? I think the main draw of the current fit is that it’s all T2 modules. Very gank resistant.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #12

anyone know how well RLML, or even hams, apply to the angel burners? looking at cerb/sac fits and with the cerb you can load up on BCUs get nice damage, but few application mods, where the sac loads up the lows with tank but can fill the mids with webs/painters and get better application. gasp even looking at the navy drake, and that is looking good. Similar damage to cerb, a few extra utility slots and big drone bay.

Anyways for smartbomb fits this is what I came up with, tanks in the high 600s vs the angel base damage profile, which is a bit of overkill. The faction smartbombs do a bit more damage, have more range, and use less cap. yea it isn’t super cheap, but costs less than a deadspace vigilant. The t2 vigilant is nice, but it’s going to die every time with a disconnect, also requires a bunch of micro management for heat and cap. I put some shiny on the tank for ages just to make things easier, but no where near the disconnect and live threshold of shiny.

[Cyclone, Angel Anomic Base Disco]
Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery

True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Vespa II x5


(Zarek Kree) #13

The greatest benefit of the SB Cyclone is that it’s a low SP option for running the Angel Base. And it’s pretty safe as long you keep an eye on D-scan and ensure nobody warps in on you in highsec.

It does require faction SBs though - for cap more than DPS. You need to be able to run the SBs for about 3.5 mins. The fit was originally published by Jackudza in the old burner thread, but I’ve pimped it a bit to be able to shut down my SBs and still tank the Drams if somebody probes me down in the site.

I wait until the Drams have closed on me and the transport is 30km away before launching my drones to go after the transport. The drones fly right through the SBs - they’re not in range of long enough to take more than shield damage.

[Cyclone, SB Burner Angel Transport]

Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier

True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Caldari Navy Vespa x5


(Anize Oramara) #14

Thanks, I’ll start playing around with them when I get back home. If the SBs only need ot run for say, 3.5min, What about running a Cap Booster with small cap charges instead of the cap battery for the active tank one? Maybe even dual cap boosters and replace CCC rigs/etc with PG rigs and/or switch out the Cap lows?


(Zarek Kree) #15

I think any number of fits are viable as long as you can tank the damage and keep up your cap long enough to kill the Drams. The biggest problem is that you can’t really trade tank (or cap) for gank like you can with other burner fits, so it’s just a matter of tailoring it to taste. As long as you’re running faction SBs, the only thing that will increase your DPS further is the Energy Pulse Weapons skill.

It’s worth noting that both of these fits are way over-tanked. But there’s no real reason not to over-tank other than saving some isk. These both come in at about 470m isk, but Jackudza’s T2 fit (with the exception of the SBs), clocks in about 360m. But his will die if he gets a DC or doesn’t kill the Drams in a timely manner because he’s running a DPS race.


(Jori McKie) #16

@Chainsaw Plankton
I added your cap stable fits to the OP and linked them. I hope that’s ok.

And i wanted to thank you helping to update and maintain the google sheet. Did a little update on the authoring.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #17

yep sounds good, and I was planning on throwing the cap stable fits into the google doc, just doing a bit more testing and tweaking, think I’m a bit over tanked for some. and need to get times for the missions.


(Jori McKie) #18

About dualboxing with capstable fits.
I think some Burner missions could benefit from dualboxing in terms of efficiency and convenience. You spend a lot of time warping to and from Burner missions you can’t improve that via dualboxing, so to get more efficiency we have to look at the completing times and complexity of the missions.

Lets have a look at the ones with longer completing times around 2mins and more:

  • All Team Burner
  • Burner Cruor - Blood Agent
  • Burner Ashimmu - Blood Base
  • Burner Talos - Serpentis Base
  • Burner Escort Dramiel - Angel Base

Team Burner are straight forward and will benefit from 2x Garmurs and it is easy to accomplish. Warp in, set orbit, shot and check your OH in between.

Burner Cruor is painful for a single Wolf. Straight forward use 2x cap stable Wolfs and it is easy to accomplish. Warp in, perma rep, shot, OH guns at a half armor Cruor to avoid burn out mods.

Burner Ashimmu using 2x Gilas should be helpful but no easy task in terms of complexity as you have to check your RLML OH and replace your lost T1 Drones. But because you need around 4 mins in a solo Gila i think it would be worth.

Burner Talos you will need 2x Deimos both pimped to be able to burn straight at the Talos and tank. No idea if you gain time in the end because the main factor in this mission is travel time and not the kill time.

Burner Escort Dramiel 2x Vigilants should do the trick but both have to be the pimped versions because you are to busy to lock, web and kill the Dramiels to check on your rep on both of them at the same time. Warp in, start perma rep, shot.
On the other hand 2x Cyclones with smartbombs are easy to handle. Just orbit one at 500m and boom.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #19

I was more interested in dual boxing and running separate missions, but now I really want to see double cyclones smartbombing one mission. Also in dual boxing one mission you can use way less heat as things die much faster to double ship dps, and I’m assuming most stuff will die before heat becomes an issue. also I’m wondering if aggro will split or all go on one target?

Also it seems prices for cruiser sized mods are going a bit nuts right now, I’m assuming that is mostly because of the t3c rebalance. And also some of it is speculation on complex spawn/drop rates (although that is more on the deadspace hardener side), and armor mods in general as sansha will eventually swap over to shield mods.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #20

doing that the drams lost interest in me and went after my drones. I think I even waited till I had them at half shield and it was 35km away or so. Maybe if I had less tank and “baited” them, no idea if that works with npcs. And maybe smartbomb skill at 5 would help hold aggro, but cba to train it.

Also the serpentis base dual rep deimos is pretty funny, pretty much face tanks the whole mission. Insane kin/therm resists plus rep bonus.


(Zarek Kree) #21

That’s really surprising. As long as I wait until he’s 30km away, I don’t think I’ve ever gotten aggro from the Drams. Maybe a one off? I only have Energy Pulse Weapons at 4.