nah, it’s the level of OP that the rorqual reached. On good pulls you could make a lot more, say 1B/h was the average.
500M/h was the minimum value to accept an activity.
Not wholly, but an environment that promotes more reassurance to players that prefer a different side of EvE.
Not really though, a few locals used to roll sites in their ‘steamrollers’ as I called them. They were used to it and it was fun to join up with them from time to time.
We tried mining to, but… NULL wasn’t for us in the end. We had more fun being casual in High Sec. It’s a change of pace.
I have deleted a few posts. Please keep to the topic posted by the OP and keep the discussion civil.
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1B/hour sounds fundamentally broken to me. But I guess that’s why the game’s where it’s at now.
You can play how and where you want to; you just have to accept the fact that no matter where you play, you’ll need to be diligent in ensuring your safety, instead of just assuming it. Like I said before, you can play the game, and never get ganked. So you are fundamentally asking for a forced, artificial decrease in the game’s difficulty, as opposed to arguing from some kind of moral perspective with regard to high-sec PvP.
Well playing this game makes me feel not safe as precaution steps must be taken to play this game how I want to play it.
I personally don’t see a big problem with high-sec being safe/safer from PVP. I think CCP won’t try to make it 100% safe, but safer than it is currently.
The reason I don’t think it is a huge deal is because ISK making in high-sec is not that lucrative. Everyday I fly around null-sec exploring for 1 hour. My cargohold has 100 to 400 mill in it after one hour of exploring.
I’m fine with miners in high-sec safely making 10 mill per hour lol.
I would argue that if you stop people making ISK, then they can’t buy anything to fight with. So constricting the ability to make ISK just means you are going to have less PVP in the game, not more.
When is it okay to stop making it safer? Because I can tell you that it’s much safer today than it has been in the past. CCP has eliminated every method of high-sec PvP aside from ganking and wars, and both ganking and wars have been nerfed to such an extent that they’ve become fringe activities.
You can’t really make it safer at this point without making that safety absolute.
Just because you’re not aware of high-sec high-end income potential, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
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I’m going to disagree on that.
Mechanics wise it is safer yes, but the gankers/wardeccers meta has also evolved significantly from the early days, which increases the risk. The Mechanics changes are attempts to balance out that evolution.
So at the end of the day when all the meta is included I haven’t seen a significant change since I started playing to overall risk levels.
Systemic risk has decreased. Just because players are ganking more today than before doesn’t mean that high-sec hasn’t become objectively safer.
as a ganker i have to disagree back in the day ganking was so much easier and common, not even going back as far as tanking concord. but insurance pay-outs for gank ships (also insurance fraud :)) so i made bank even if i failed gank, followed by so many nerfs , the only reason we appear to be more prevalent in your mind after ganking has been nerfed into the ground is because pretty much every other channel for the fun eve players has also been nerfed out of existence and ganking is pretty much all thats left… the number of gankers online can be often be counted on one hand and have fingers free.
the odds of being ganked are somewhere about 0 , if you take precautions its less than that , if you get ganked then lol you fecked up massively
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I would keep ganking but remove wars. Wars decs are just completely trash gameplay. The correct thing to do against a war dec is leave corp. Nobody cares about actually fighting wars, it’s just a tool gankers use to gank players without a concord response.
I would be all for a war system that worked in a different way. I’m not against high-sec PVP, I just think it needs improving and the old systems need to be scrapped.
Just because high end potential exists doesn’t mean players do it. Mining is not, nor ever will be high end in high-sec, yet thats what a lot of high-sec players like to do. Very few are running incursions in comparison, and I don’t believe that’s because gankers exist. I think most players just don’t care about them, I certainly never have.
It’s not so much more prevalent that I’m saying.
Things like third party tools for valuations, computers that can handle large numbers of multi-boxxing, that sort of thing. Back in the day gankers just didn’t have those things, so it was a lot more of an individual players smarts. And those tools favour the gankers massively, multiboxxing haulers does not decrease the risk of a hauler being caught, etc.
Don’t take that as a complaint though, it’s just a comment on how some things work. I am not advocating for less ganking, though I do wish it worked differently but the way I want to see it work would require too many changes to ever get past current CCP management.
Nuh-uh. In your previous post, you specifically advocated a safe/safer high-sec. Now you’re saying it just “needs improvement.”
We’ve seen this before, when bears realize that their current public stance isn’t getting them the support they need, so they modify their verbiage to make it seem like they’re your friends, and are advocating for changes that will make the game more enjoyable for everyone.
We’re not buying it, sorry.
Then it’s their choice, and their fault.
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the correct thing to do in a war is fight
actually folk do thsts why they dec wars so they get a fight
whats wrong with i want to kill you so i war dec you, really whats wrong with that ?how can you improve that
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Yeah, we did.
Of course it does. Put a billion into a hauler and it gets blown up. Split the billion into ten haulers and not one gets touched. If gankers need to multi-box to get kills, I don’t see why carebears shouldn’t need to multi-box to prevent them.
I didn’t though. Please do not straw man my argument. I said I don’t have a problem with it. That is not advocation. I am not pushing for it. I simply think it is not the big deal that you think it is.
I am a null sec player. You are probably more of a carebear than I am.
Not the point I was making. I’m saying a safer high-sec doesn’t automatically turn it into a giga ISK making machine that will ruin EVE. I think the main effect you will see is less players quitting the game. I think that is a positive, not a negative.
We all know what you meant.
Null krabs are the biggest carebears of them all.
It would. You’re just not familiar and experienced enough with the game to understand why and how.
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my old 15 year old laptop ran 6 ganker accounts fine, admitedly it sounded like a helicopter in its dying throes but it worked fine.
i replaced it with a new laptop £180 crap spec and it runs 6 accounts with no problem even high grafics though i turn it down to potato for usual usage.
dont need an expensive computer to run many accounts. so to counter your point back in the day i did have a computer that handled many accounts and it was crap even then .
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