CCP should seriously consider removing Local from Null

[Nolak_Ataru]

Removing local will hurt hunters, not locals, and make it easier to rat.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

@Dracvlad

I suggested that you go try Provi to see lots of ships getting blown up, I also told you I live in Catch which is also very active, you only read what you think you read. This Provi suggestion was because you were saying that nullsec was safe.

Did I say I was an expert in WH’s? When can I expect the mail with all your advice and tips, however never I guess, because you are the definition of hot air and generalisation.

Did you miss the fact that I lived in provi for years? It’s very easy to avoid getting caught PvE-ing there.

You keep bringing WHs up, I don’t. Why do you keep talking about them if you don’t have experience? This thread is about null, stay on topic.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Did you miss the fact that I lived in provi for years? It’s very easy to avoid getting caught PvE-ing there.

It’s as easy as anywhere else to avoid getting caught, nobody is saying it isn’t. However how much ISK can you actually earn in provi because of the amount of red activity? IT’S NOT VERY MUCH.

[Forseti_Valkyrie]

@Xuixien

especially if they have one of the many (probably illegal) intel “program” networks set up that alert them when there’s hostiles as far as 10j away from them, or are watching one of the many streams that have been set up to remotely watch Local chat in other systems.

Just… wow. Any organized group in null:

A) put hundreds of billions in ISK on the table to be where they are, losing many hundreds of billions in the process of claiming, and to this day, maintaining that space.

B) as per, oh I dunno, the last 8 years I’ve been playing, intel channels have been the norm where yeah, you post it. You watch your blue’s back, they watch yours… crazy thought, right? Some, believe it or not, have MORE than one channel covering MORE than one region or constellation… mind blown, right?

C) apparently you never heard of multi-boxxing. It was before Twitch or streaming in general was even a thing.

D) Miners and ratters are ‘safe’ because they chose to be part of a group that GASP! works together to keep their space, that they worked for, clear of hostiles.

Perhaps you’d prefer to pay 1 Billion ISK for a T1 Battleship? 3 Billion for a pirate BS? 500 Million for a cruiser. You think you are gonna be flying MORE into null with ships that cost you 1 or 2 PLEX? You think minerals will ‘sink’. Pro-tip… scarcity does not = cheaper.

If you want to fight so bad or make life hard for a ratting carrier then take a stroll into occupied nullsec and see how it turns out for you.

You leet pvpers always complaining that it isn’t easy enough to find targets. Somehow believing that you are the first pilot with a true warrior spirit and you are called in this time to bring some spiritual revival to the game.

just stfu and find a fight. If you want to play w/o a local, Eve has your solution on a silver platter. Go live in a wormhole… or is that too easy for PVEers there too?

[Sonya_Corvinus]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

It’s as easy as anywhere else to avoid getting caught, nobody is saying it isn’t. However how much ISK can you actually earn in provi because of the amount of red activity? IT’S NOT VERY MUCH.

Good to know. Glad no one told me I couldn’t earn ISK there when I lived there though. It didn’t seem to be a problem.

What’s with the focus on ISK though? The point of null is building and defending an empire as a group, not maximizing personal ISK.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Good to know. Glad no one told me I couldn’t earn ISK there when I lived there though. It didn’t seem to be a problem.

whatever.

@Sonya_Corvinus

What’s with the focus on ISK though? The point of null is building and defending an empire as a group, not maximizing personal ISK.

How are you going to build anything without any sort of income you idiot. How do you expect players to buy capital ships to fight with if you remove local so that my income is like ■■■■■■■ 10mill per hour.

I’ll talk to you when you make a sensible point, because you are just talking pure ■■■■ at the moment.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

Where on earth did you come up with 10 mil/hr? You can make more than that blindfolded in HS.

Do you even play this game? Stop being so angry and talk about the subject. Ask for help if you don’t understand how to make ISK

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Dracvlad

you forum warriors

You know this group includes you right?

Not necessarily on the same side as others, but no less a forum warrior.

It’s not a bad thing by the way, but that’s a group that has many people with ideas you agree with too.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Where on earth did you come up with 10 mil/hr? You can make more than that blindfolded in HS.

Yeah, but how am I ever going to earn more than that in null without local and PVE’ing in groups. Remember when I said I would earn more in low sec at that point, this is exactly why.

@Sonya_Corvinus

Do you even play this game? Stop being so angry and talk about the subject. Ask for help if you don’t understand how to make ISK

I guarantee I know more than you about how to make ISK. Which is why I wouldn’t suggest something as dumb as removing local.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

If all you’re going to do is whine and stamp your feet, I really don’t have anything to say.

I’m sorry you feel defensive when your 100% risk free ISK is challenged. God help it if you have to defend your own space.

And that you think most people buy their caps through ratting income? well…

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

Use your brain for once. You can’t honestly be that stupid.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

Did you really just call me stupid for suggesting people don’t really pay for caps by null ratting? you think the 100 bil revenant you linked earlier was bought with null ratting ISK?

And back on topic, yes local should be able to be removed from null. Yes it would make null more empty, and more challenging. Both of those things are good. Yes larger and more organized groups would still exist, this is null we are talking about, a disorganized group shouldn’t be able to exist, and null naturally leans towards the larger group size.

A good chunk of null would be afraid of this simply because they are used to easy, risk free living. Local is 100% free intel with no work required, something that shouldn’t exist anywhere in EVE. IMO all free intel would go away (including local, KBs, tools like pirate’s little helper, etc). EVE was built on the idea that you work for what you get, that should go even mroeso in null. I’d also like to see no asset safety in null, but those ideas are beyond this thread.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Did you really just call me stupid for suggesting people don’t really pay for caps by null ratting? you think the 100 bil revenant you linked earlier was bought with null ratting ISK?

You are talking about local providing risk free ISK generation. The only thing that local makes safer is ratting and mining. Many people buy ships with ratting income or mining income. Using a ■■■■■■■ revenant as an example is ■■■■■■■ retarded.

@Sonya_Corvinus

And back on topic, yes local should be able to be removed from null. Yes it would make null more empty, and more challenging. Both of those things are good. Yes larger and more organized groups would still exist, this is null we are talking about, a disorganized group shouldn’t be able to exist, and null naturally leans towards the larger group size.

So your idea is to empty null and make sure no new powers ever develop ever again. Wow that sounds absolutely ■■■■■■■ amazing… NOT.

@Sonya_Corvinus

A good chunk of null would be afraid of this simply because they are used to easy, risk free living. Local is 100% free intel with no work required, something that shouldn’t exist anywhere in EVE. IMO all free intel would go away (including local, KBs, tools like pirate’s little helper, etc). EVE was built on the idea that you work for what you get, that should go even mroeso in null. I’d also like to see no asset safety in null, but those ideas are beyond this thread.

Establishing an area in null that is profitable is a lot of combined work of hundreds or thousands of players so just stfu idiot.

EVE was built on the idea that you don’t know wtf you are talking about.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

Yeah, but how am I ever going to earn more than that in null without local and PVE’ing in groups. Remember when I said I would earn more in low sec at that point, this is exactly why.

Exploration, DED sites, missions in NPC null constellations, use of alts/scouts combined with d-scan, escalations?

Aside from the requirement for alts/scouts and d-scan to run anoms and belts, all of the other locations listed are sig’s or not even warpable to without the bookmark. There’s plenty of time to react.

If you think 10 million is the ISK rate without local in null, maybe do some experimentation. Login and go do some things without local open and actually see what you can earn. My bet is it’s still way over 10 million/hr.

I don’t want local gone either, but the idea that CCP would just remove local and make no other balancing change at the same time is kind of crazy. They’ve already said they won’t do that. So any changes that do occur to local, will also be accompanied by other changes that balance the effects out and give people more options.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

I already suggested the changes I’d make to null sites to compensate to allow better group based ISK making. Local also makes much, much more than ratting and mining safer in null.

You brought up a revenant first, not me. That’s why I used it as an example. Don’t be upset if I use examples you brought up in this conversation.

What percent of your time online and in null are you personally on comms and in a standing fleet? Just curious. If establishing your area in null is a combined effort of hundreds or thousands of people, why do you keep saying it’s impossible to mount defense and response fleets?

And please stop cursing.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

I already suggested the changes I’d make to null sites to compensate to allow better group based ISK making. Local also makes much, much more than ratting and mining safer in null.

I don’t really care. Sometimes I just want to log on and do something, I don’t want my entire playtime to revolve around when other people are available.

@Sonya_Corvinus

You brought up a revenant first, not me. That’s why I used it as an example. Don’t be upset if I use examples you brought up in this conversation.

I used to highlight that it’s not reasonable to suggest to just ‘out escalate droppers’ as a solution to taking away local. You are just using it to make stupid points.

@Sonya_Corvinus

What percent of your time online and in null are you personally on comms and in a standing fleet? Just curious. If establishing your area in null is a combined effort of hundreds or thousands of people, why do you keep saying it’s impossible to mount defense and response fleets?

100%, but it doesn’t matter if my alliance is not capable of out-escalating the droppers is it. Why can’t you get that into your thick skull.

@Sonya_Corvinus

And please stop cursing.

I’ll stop cursing when you stop talking ■■■■.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Scipio_Artelius

Exploration, DED sites, missions in NPC null constellations, use of alts/scouts combined with d-scan, escalations?

I want to earn ISK in a reasonable amount of time so I can buy ships and take them to fleet fights. I don’t have time and I’m not interested in exploring or running DED sites, why should I be forced to just because people are butthurt about local and want it removed.

They should move to WH space if it bothers them, but they won’t, and then they expect to change how I spend my time in the game because of their laziness. It’s absolutely retarded of them.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

why should I be forced

You aren’t forced to do anything.

They are choices. You can either do them or not. Every choice has a consequence, so if you don’t want to do the high income activities that also provide some reasonable safety, that’s fine, but you don’t get to decide that your own preferred activity should pay you what you want.

No one is that special of a snowflake that we are entitled to expect the game to be how we want it.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Scipio_Artelius

You aren’t forced to do anything.

They are choices. You can either do them or not. Every choice has a consequence, so if you don’t want to do the high income activities that also provide some reasonable safety, that’s fine, but you don’t get to decide that your own preferred activity should pay you what you want.

No one is that special of a snowflake that we are entitled to expect the game to be how we want it.

Well if those activities are the only thing that can support how I play then yes I am forced to do them, otherwise quit the game, which I probably would.

Got nothing to do with being a special snowflake kid, there is just no reason to remove local.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

otherwise quit the game, which I probably would.

It’s a choice we can all make if we aren’t gaining the value from the game we would want.

Nothing wrong with that.

However, you do realise local isn’t being nerfed at all right? No change is happening and nothing really prosposed from CCP to make local disappear.

I’m not sure why you are so worked up in this thread (impression from reading the thread).

You should just post monty python memes or something, because the discussion here doesn’t really have any affect on your gameplay and likely never will. You are in the winners seat if you want local to remain, simply because it will remain. Nothing to be worried about.

That’s not to say don’t discuss it. Everything is always good to discuss. Just not something to get emotional about at all.