CCP should seriously consider removing Local from Null

[Dan_Morvis]

@Dan_Morvis

Isn’t harder then, for the hunter, to get kills when the hunted knows, several systems away, that somebody dangerous is around?

I’m trying to understand your argument.
My question was if isn’t harder then, for the hunter, to get kills when the hunted knows, several systems away, that somebody dangerous is around?

[Cismet]

@Xuixien

@Cismet

I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately obtuse and just picking and choosing the single sentences out of an entire post out of context

Too be honest your posts are really bad and it’s hard to read the entire thing.

@Cismet

Now at the moment the targets for most of those small gangs are the miners and the ratters

No, actually they’re not. A kills a kill and they’ll take a miner or a ratter if they can, but the real goal of roaming gangs is to get fights.

@Cismet

Your entire argument is based around this concept that both sides are on equal footing when it’s complete nonsense.

And you haven’t shown that it’s nonsense, hence, why I just skim your posts and reply to bits and pieces here and there.

That’s the third personal attack you’ve made and I’m done.

[Xuixien]

@Dan_Morvis

I’m trying to understand your argument.
My question was if isn’t harder then, for the hunter, to get kills when the hunted knows, several systems away, that somebody dangerous is around?

I understand you’re trying to use some hamfisted version of the “Socratic Method” to lead me to a conclusion you want to draw.

I’m not letting you do that.

Yes, it’s harder for people to get kills with massive intel channels. That’s my point. It takes the risk away from NullSec and contributes to this terrible stagnation and inflation we have right now.

[Xuixien]

@Cismet

That’s the third personal attack you’ve made and I’m done.

Bye.

[FlipMoe_Squad]

I knew socratic…used to kill him regularly in …Arnon yrs ago?

[Dan_Morvis]

@Xuixien

I understand you’re trying to use some hamfisted version of the “Socratic Method” to lead me to a conclusion you want to draw.

Aren’t you the smart one! My favorite was The Symposium. But, honest, I’m just trying to understand your argument.

@Xuixien

I’m not letting you do that.

Oohhh. And, please, tell me, how are you “not letting” me?

@Xuixien

Yes, it’s harder for people to get kills with massive intel channels. That’s my point.[/quote]
So, you do want to make it easier to get kills?

[quote=“Xuixien, post:65, topic:9488”]It takes the risk away from NullSec and contributes to this terrible stagnation and inflation we have right now.

Interesting point.

[FlipMoe_Squad]

Um…I think gankers taking 100’s of bill’s out of the economy daily has effected demand…it’s higher than the supply if the gankers/high sec war fairies do their job. Hello inflation…first domi 32 mill. First plex…250 mill.
Basic economics and why I think the gankng craze was definitely pushed by ccp. When you’re praising james…conspiracy theorist believes its a ccp employee. But that’s plain paranoia, wanting to make more profit.

[Xuixien]

@Dan_Morvis

So, you do want to make it easier to get kills?

So, you do want risk-free NullSec PvE?

[Dan_Morvis]

@Xuixien

So, you do want risk-free NullSec PvE?

No; like you, I do not consider null sec ever risk-free, because:

@Xuixien

And if you’re undocked in NullSec, sorry, you should be ready for combat, whether it’s calling for help, lighting a cyno, or not flying what you’re not willing to lose.

You should always be ready for combat, flight or destruction in null.

If you consider null risk-free at the moment, if I’m not understanding you correctly, then, why does one should be “ready for combat, whether it’s calling for help, lighting a cyno, or not flying what you’re not willing to lose”?

And, now, do you want an easier time to get kills? Yes or no?

[Xuixien]

@Dan_Morvis

You should always be ready for combat, flight or destruction in null.

So we’re in agreement!

Yes, that’s how it should be. But, sadly, that is no longer the reality of NullSec in this day and age of massive intel channels, private streams watching Local in several systems, and automated (read: bot) programs that alert the user when there is a hostile up to 10j away.

Basically: Passive, risk free intel that doesn’t even require a ship in space, that allows other people to mine or rat virtually risk free as long as they alt-tab back to the game every 5-10 minutes.

So I’m glad we’re in agreement that NullSec should be a riskier environment and that Local makes it very safe for miners and ratters, and very hard for PvPers, as per your own admission that

@Xuixien

If I saw a stranger 5 jumps away, I’d align and stand ready to warp.

making it almost impossible for them to catch you. Because you have cost-free, risk-free intel from several jumps away, that doesn’t even require the people providing the intel to even be undocked or at any risk themselves.

So we have a scenario where it’s almost impossible to catch you, and I’m saying you shouldn’t be almost impossible to catch, and you’re trying to twist it as “just wanting easier kills” (as if that’s even a rebuttal or criticism at all - it isn’t!) because you want to maintain the status quo of mining risk-free in NullSec.

You’re very transparent.

I wish you cared about the health of this game.

That was a good try on your part though. I applaud you.

[Dan_Morvis]

I’m not trying to twist anything. I’m simply asking you: do you think that miners/ratters should be easier to hunt in null?

[Xuixien]

@Dan_Morvis

I’m not trying to twist anything. I’m simply asking you: do you think that miners/ratters should be easier to hunt in null?

I think my position on the topic has been made abundantly clear. Thank you.

[Dan_Morvis]

@Xuixien

I think my position on the topic has been made abundantly clear. Thank you.

You didn’t answer the question. What’s the problem? Don’t know the answer?

[Xuixien]

@Dan_Morvis

You didn’t answer the question. What’s the problem? Don’t know the answer?

I did answer, it was just an answer you found inconvenient.

But we’re off topic now.

Only replying to on-topic posts. So if you’d like to bring something new to the discussion by all means, but I think we’ve covered your thoughts in depth already.

[Dan_Morvis]

@Xuixien

But we’re off topic now.

I’m talking about local in null. The title of the topic.

@Xuixien

Only replying to on-topic posts.

Do you think that removing local from null (title of the post) will make it easier to hunt down miners/ratters?

If you didn’t understood the question, then let me simplify:

@Xuixien

I’m saying you shouldn’t be almost impossible to catch

Is possible to catch easier than “impossible to catch”, in your opinion?

[Xuixien]

Please stay on topic. If you’d like to sling mud and play semantic games, a private conversation would be a more appropriate place for that.

[Dan_Morvis]

@Xuixien

Please stay on topic.

I am on topic. You want miners/ratters to not have access to local, because it makes them too safe. As you so brilliantly put:

@Xuixien

Ratting and mining in NullSec is now almost completely safe. It’s true, don’t argue, you can’t. Yes ratters and miners do still die - the stupid ones who were using the bathroom or not aligned or whatever have you. A half intelligent PvEr at the keyboard can get out as soon as neutrals appear in Local - especially if they have one of the many (probably illegal) intel “program” networks set up that alert them when there’s hostiles as far as 10j away from them, or are watching one of the many streams that have been set up to remotely watch Local chat in other systems. Players openly brag about these setups on reddit. They’ve existed for years, but are now used widely and openly. It has to stop.

My question is very simple and a simple yes or no would suffice. I don’t see why that’s so hard.

Would the removal of local chat from null make it easier to hunt and destroy miners/ratters in null?

[Xuixien]

I’ve already answered all your questions - at length. I’m sorry the discussion didn’t turn out the way you wanted it to. But you’re going to have to take it private message, because at this point I have no recourse but to block you. Sorry.

[Xuixien]

Just going to leave this here for the next set of people that wanna try the “you just want easier kills” line:

Appeal to motive

[Dan_Morvis]

Wow, look at him. Quoting Wikipedia - such a genious.
Funny thing is, though, that I just asked. I asked a simple, honest, question and you didn’t even answer.

@Xuixien

I’ve already answered all your questions - at length. I’m sorry the discussion didn’t turn out the way you wanted it to. But you’re going to have to take it private message, because at this point I have no recourse but to block you.

That’s too bad. I’m such a hopeful person, let me try one last time:
Would the removal of local chat from null make it easier to hunt and destroy miners/ratters in null?