CCP should seriously consider removing Local from Null

[Dracvlad]

@Keno_Skir

Nah no alts aside from a single scout / cyno alt in a cloaky nulified prot actually. I planned my routes / stops by noting info from the map over time and tried to only operate during the areas most quiet times. Some nights i’d spend the entire night moving around just to find a suitable spot, moving on if anything seemed sketchy. As i mentioned i know i’ll get caught sooner or later.

That is exactly what I thought you did and similar to how I operate, again showing that you are a smart player, pity about your posting though… You make me laugh because you say no risk and yet you took all those precautions and say you expected to get caught, you see the thing is most hunters are lazy like Sonya…

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Keno_Skir

Some nights i’d spend the entire night moving around just to find a suitable spot, moving on if anything seemed sketchy. As i mentioned i know i’ll get caught sooner or later.

Why would you do that if null is risk free?

[Dracvlad]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

Why would you do that if null is risk free?

I think he is trying to emulate Dom and take any chance to tell people how good he is!

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Keno_Skir

That’s a pair of silly statements. Yes, quite obviously skill has a role to play in ANYONE’s survivability outside of a station, and yes i think skill had a role to play in my survival. Skills like being able to read and judge map data, knowing about various alliance / corp timezones, always having an out cyno ready at a seconds notice, carrying refits in case of unforseen circumstance, knowing when to just leave it for the night rather than push my luck all had a collective hand in my survival so i’m again not really sure what you’re getting at (apart from Whaaaaa! nulsec is haaaard!!).

As i have repeatedly stated i know i’m not unstoppable, but your refusal to accept that my fairly simple tactics can be successful only shows your own abject lack of minerals

So you took tons of precautions in order not to die yet null is risk free…You’ve destroyed your own argument.

[Kaitrei]

By the way…

If they are truly ratting/mining while already aligned, it wouldn’t matter if local in null sec was a thing or not. If they were truly aligned, they would see you on their overview and warp off before you came out of warp to target them.

Extra note: A Venture (and its T2 variants) can warp off before you come out of warp or fully decloak.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

@Dracvlad

Intel from local, when he said holes in it he is referring to the simple fact that not all systems have people in consistently, thus allowing people to hide from view until they come in system, this can enable them to get on top of slow warping ships that are en route to a site or VNI’s in small systems. The onus is on the hunter to use such gaps. Did that help in your education.

Sorry for the confusion. What keeps you from looking at local chat in the system you are in? That’s really all it takes to avoid dying when PvEing in null.

Back on point, the end goal should be null being dangerous, and very difficult for groups to live in, and nearly impossible for solo players to live in. There’s very little danger left in the game. Someone who knows the mechanics can avoid dying in all parts of space, even WHs occupied by PvP heavy corps. That’s counter to how EVE was designed. Among other suggestions is removing local from null. This definitely has to go hand in hand with other changes, but it’s part of a decent set of things that can force sov null to be more risky for everyone involved (PvEers as well as hunters).

Let’s take ratting. Any subcap can easily escape, theoretically a solo cap in warp might be caught when landing, but that’s a non issue. Any cap is intended to be flown in a fleet, not solo. If you’re ratting in a carrier/dread/etc, it’s assumed you have a support fleet either scouting, watching incoming gates, or on a standby fleet to jump in to counter. The fact that people can solo rat in caps in null at all speaks to null not being dangerous enough any more. A conclusion? Get rid of, or severely limit any free intel (including local chat, killboards, tools like pirate’s little helper, etc.)

[Keno_Skir]

@Dracvlad

You make me laugh because you say no risk and yet you took all those precautions and say you expected to get caught

You’re twisting my words. I said low risk in my opinion. The precautions were easy to take and i expected to get caught sooner or later. As in, this is EvE so nothing lasts forever. You cannot translate that to mean “it was incredibly unsafe, nul is therefor unsafe and hard, Drac is correct”.

@Dracvlad

VMG tend to operate in and around Jita, they do at times go to Amarr but only the odd one or two, they are easy to avoid, so much for his VMG statement.

It’s interesting at least that you automatically assume he was trying to avoid them…

@Caitlynn_Askyra

Why would you do that if null is risk free?

Because i was solo in a capital ship. I didn’t say it was risk free by the way, i said the risk was too low. I don’t think it should be feasable to solo around willy nilly in a capital ship on my lonesome.

@Dracvlad

I think he is trying to emulate Dom and take any chance to tell people how good he is!

Mate, your nose is so far up Caitlynn’s thrusters it’s gone browner than i assume the seat in your pod must surely be Then again i guess when someone actually agrees with what you’re saying you should probably grab hold with both hands and never let go…

@Dracvlad

you are a smart player

Thanks Drac o/

[Shallanna_Yassavi]

Purifier

Highs:
Covert Cyno
Covert Cloak

Mids:
1 MN AB II
Web II
Scram II

Lows:
DCUII
EANM II
400mm Restrained Plate

2x Trimark II

You’re not going to kill it before it drops a fleet on you. If you aren’t out of range before it decides it wants to decloak (or: it’s within 9km and closing or holding), you’ve got a fight on your hands because lag. If you’re an ishtar with an oversized afterburner, it’s going to have trouble getting into range, but orbits are predictable. It’s also not something you can just smartbomb on a gate.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Keno_Skir

Because i was solo in a capital ship. I didn’t say it was risk free by the way, i said the risk was too low. I don’t think it should be feasable to solo around willy nilly in a capital ship on my lonesome.

Shouldn’t the risk be low if you took all those precautions?

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Back on point, the end goal should be null being dangerous, and very difficult for groups to live in, and nearly impossible for solo players to live in.

Nobody wants this apart from you and maybe 2 other people in this thread. It’s dangerous enough when you could be evicted completely by a supercap fleet if they feel like it. We don’t need players like you camping us all day too.

[Dracvlad]

@Sonya_Corvinus

Sorry for the confusion. What keeps you from looking at local chat in the system you are in? That’s really all it takes to avoid dying when PvEing in null.

Again you are not reading what people are saying, local in the system you are in has a greater worth if the system is very large, I have already explained that, I have explained that VNI’s orbit with oversized AB’s and are a distance away, I have explained that carriers have a slow warp and align time. And you seem to call that 100% risk free. Oh look at the end you finally accept that there is risk with carriers, well what do you know…

@Sonya_Corvinus

Back on point, the end goal should be null being dangerous, and very difficult for groups to live in,

That is the case

@Sonya_Corvinus

and nearly impossible for solo players to live in

You have to find the right area where not a lot of people are, also relic hunting, I see people do this and good luck to them.

@Sonya_Corvinus

That’s counter to how EVE was designed.

So you want to make it so people running black ops leaving cyno alts in every system will get guaranteed kills, it will kill the game, people are supposed to work to get kills this is not Counter Strike!!!

[Dracvlad]

@Keno_Skir

Mate, your nose is so far up Caitlynn’s thrusters it’s gone browner than i assume the seat in your pod must surely be Then again i guess when someone actually agrees with what you’re saying you should probably grab hold with both hands and never let go…

Mate you need to calm down, but I would suggest that you need to look at your nose in the mirror as you jumped in to cheer on Dom. The poster to who you refer has the same point of view as me as he operates in Provi, I am in Catch, both regions are under continuous attack be it people going for ones sov, structures or those looking to get kills. So if you want to define that as brown nosing then your definition of brown nosing is immensely wide.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

I agree most people want risk free null. That doesn’t make it healthy for the game.

[Sonya_Corvinus]

Again Drac, sorry for the confusion. Even with an oversized AB a VNI will easily get away from anyone if they are watching local. I addressed carrier ratting. That’s a group activity. Go back and read the section of my last post you didn’t respond to.

There are plenty of ways to get intel without local chat. Back to the point, they just take effort. Again, this is simply about making null a little dangerous again. Intel should take effort, especially in null, both for hunters and hunted. Removing local makes it more dangerous for both parties.

I want the game to be unplayable for certain playstyles. 100% risk free PvE in null is one of them. That is a very major part of null though and had been for years, so I do understand I’ll hear resistance to removing local from that group.

[Dracvlad]

@Sonya_Corvinus

100% risk free PvE in null is one of them.

And that is your issue, you seem to think that it is risk free, well it is not.

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Sonya_Corvinus

I agree most people want risk free null. That doesn’t make it healthy for the game.

You don’t know what is healthy for the game anyway so it doesn’t matter what you think.

[Keno_Skir]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

Shouldn’t the risk be low if you took all those precautions?

No, not in my opinion. I think in addition to sensible precautions i should REQUIRE a support fleet to use my carrier.

@Dracvlad

Mate you need to calm down, but I would suggest that you need to look at your nose in the mirror as you jumped in to cheer on Dom.

Sorry for interrupting your echo chamber with views that frighten you

[Caitlynn_Askyra]

@Keno_Skir

No, not in my opinion. I think in addition to sensible precautions i should REQUIRE a support fleet to use my carrier.

Just because it’s an MMO doesn’t mean you have to kill all solo content.

[Keno_Skir]

@Caitlynn_Askyra

Just because it’s an MMO doesn’t mean you have to kill all solo content.

You think carrier ratting is “all solo content”?

[Dracvlad]

@Keno_Skir

Sorry for interrupting your echo chamber with views that frighten you

Frighten, lol, dreadful troll posting again…, just pointing out the catastrophic affect on the game that this would have, but to you and people like you, you try to work it back to things that you can troll with.