That works for occasional times that predators visit the solar system. Kind of a sucky way to live sometimes but it works, and thats what I’ had learned to successfully do. What OP (I think) and I are talking about are campaigns of persistent predator presence with alts whose only purpose are to see when mining ships start mining, notify gankers (or just their own alts), which come into system and prevent mining, or gank, have continuous messaging in either local or via hubs that miners must purchase permits to mine anywhere in the systems including the moons their corp has drills at, . the goal is to stop mining. to literally stop another player from engaging in one of the 4 career paths in three adjacent systems. If you think i’m exaggerating, talk to other certain folks harassing me earlier who I won’t mention by name. It is the definition of griefing, playing just to make another player upset, and it works. They don’t want peopel to buy permits - they want players to get angry, refuse, and then get attacked, then compalin more - they LOVE causing grief.
You’ve missed the point. In the example it wasn’t CCP directly making manufacturers and market players upset. It was the miners making them upset because their mining suddenly became so much easier.
Don’t take this the wrong way but it seems like you’re quite not getting the facts that in Eve
1: One players doings don’t mean anything or affect anything in the grand scheme of things in Eve.
2: Market and manufacturing are pvp and miners are enemy as much as they can be friends.
Your approach and opinions seem so self centered considering you’re playing a social engineering multiplayer pvp game.
Is this considered harrasment?: I have a ship builder contact from whom i can buy ships cheap. Suddenly that guys production is disrupted because group of miners or manufacturers have started mining hes ore or building in hes region hence raising the system cost index hence affecting hes profits. He tells me to go and gank the people. If i do he’ll pay me for it and i can keep buying ships cheaper. Am i harrassing the miners or is it content creation in sandbox where players create the stories, content, everything really.
Chat is only letters. Chat can be blocked. Ect.
You know in Eve people do that. I’ve done it. And i know plenty of corporations and or players that pay for peopleto gank miners because it affects their production and profits. It’s all world building by players, events created, politics being played, deals made, business conducted. It’s sanbox mmo gameplay at all in it’s beaty. There are all this happening “behind tge scenes” when you just start “living” as capsuleer and jump out from the bubble that makes you seem to others as just npc in the belt kind of thing.
wish i had the energy to reply to this one-again elegant post but i have to take a break. There seems to be some wisdom there, but also a little apologetics for a culture that has never exactly been welcome to people with my moral standard. Like any free society, values will change over time depending on what voices are amplified and what internal and external pressures select for.
For me, the game’s essence isn’t the freedom to shoot another player - it is the freedom to explore and be successful in a new environment. My interpersonal moral values don’t stop when I click “sign in”. I do not personally role play but i’m on board with people doing that if that’s their thing. But even CCP explicitely states that roleplay is no excuse to engage in behavior contrary to the ToS. Some players want their New Eden to involve consent built into the competetive and cooperative experience in a way that it currently isn’t in my opinion. I also don’t think that many of those arguing against me roleplay within the designed universe of new Eden. Some do, sure, but others use the idea of “freedom” like any other online forum where people feel free to act hatefully because they’re protected by anonymity and distance. Add a perceived approval to take advantage of another player without their consent and ooooooooh boy do things get messy when someone starts talking about consent. For newer players like me who happen to be a vet from countless other games over the decades, the absence of consent in Eve is so glaring it makes me want to slap the monitor with incredulity. I don’t want eve to be exactly like other MMO’s I’ve played (otherwise i’d be playing them instead) but I do wish consent was a value celebrated by the community and the definition agreed upon. Welp I ended up typing forever anyway.
I’ll try to respond to this later. I need to take a break good questions. some assumptions that aren’t true but some room for discussion
How many times have you asked for consent when you did something that affects other players?
Although I think we disagree in our central thesis(and scale), I thank you for broadening my perspective. I think it will help me interact better with some of my corp mates.
Fly safe, Shadmor. Maybe someday we can go blap those miner gankers, together.
If it all comes down to language harrasment thing (Sorry for my english) then it’s ehh… You can’t save the world. Eve is or can be however you make it, a rought place.
Bullying, harrasment, namecalling all of it happens in your neighbours home, in Eve, in Wow, in forums, in streets, in local game store, with friends, with family… Everywhere all the time.
I’ve played from 2012-2013 and i absolutely hated the in-game public social side of Eve. I mean so bad it made me angry and what not. So i get that. There’s this ‘rule’ in Eve to never speak in local. I’ve haven’t played my local chat open in years. Helps alot.
Also what comes to ganking and harrasment you have no idea how bad the ganked can be! It’s way worse than being called a miner, newbro. It’s personal go kill yourself level of stuff. Gankers never go that far what i’ve gathered. Anyways best thing to do is build relationships/contacts in-game and stay away from public/local chats.
OH! And i had a point in this about the consent thing: If you simply didn’t have a chat function → A ganker is just a npc rat that tries to shoot you but with advanced ‘AI’ and higher difficulty level. Think it as a souls-like game.
Because it is true.
Then neither is losing ships in a PvP shoot-em-up game.
Sorry, but this isn’t Room 101, you are not going to convince me that 2 + 2 = 5, and your constant references to ‘harassment’ are simply a vain attempt to play some imagined victim card. If you don’t like Eve, play somethine else. It really is that simple.
Welcome to EvE Online. You consent to PvP and everything else under the stars and sun when you click Undock. Even when youre in station trading its full out WAR. Welcome to EvE Online. Where anything is possible with a little bit of grit and imagination.
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You forgot to add determination. 
Yes. I shoot people to make it entertaining for all involved. Do you respect my gameplay experience?
It seems no-one has been able to pinpoint the problem with gankings but its simple
- It defeats the purpose of progressing, since it usually means more expensive modules and ships which is what gankers go after. If there is no point in progressing there is no point in playing the game for most people.
- High sec having this kind of risks means little to noone ever get to a point where they feel comfortable exploring low or null where this sort of activitiy is actually supposed to happen
So ganking is a death spiral to be frank.
This is quite the thread.
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Wow, horrifying stuff. THIS kind of thing posted in LOCAL? What has this game come to?
These mining fleets are hardly regular - at least at this point. You’re free to try and change that.
Individual players are free to move elsewhere, change corps, or pay for mining permits. You could also attempt to wait ‘persistent predator presence’ (lol) out. You have a number of options - you just happen to dislike even the most reasonable ones.
You belong to the largest Highsec-focused corp in the game, and yet you post like a member of one of the smallest.
Your posting here won’t change anything. I’d suggest you direct your uhh, energies towards the goal of finding a better corporation. I have several suggestions. All you need to do is ask. I’d be happy to help.
Welcome to EVE Online.
Must be, since the main source of trit is in hisec, plus easy ice. I know I have an alt there 
Just like most non-hisec’ers have Jita clones and alts.
“Granny! No ! Stay in the POS. STAY in the &^$#!! POS, I said. You still have the timer running!”
Well that’s odd…as only last night I was in a fleet of 90 in lowsec, every member of which started out the game in highsec. And two of my 6 main chars now live in lowsec all the time.
You’ve outdone yourself in nonsensical hyperbole and claims invented out of thin air.
I mean…seriously…a player joins a PvP shoot-em-up game with a NPE that kills them and even tells them they will die many times. They mine in rat infested belts where NPCs try to kill them. They see Eve adverts where people get to be ‘gods of the battlefield’ or have ’ huge PvP battles’. They have zillions of Youtube and other content informing them of how the game works. And yet they have no idea that other players might come along and kill them ??
I call baloney on that one.
Nope, wrong.
What is the goal of this discussion?
If you remove all risk from high-sec, you will see the value of all wealth created in high-sec plummet. You remove mining gankers and all high-sec ores will dramatically fall in value. Remove high-sec war deccers, all high-sec moon goo value will drop dramatically. ie, you need predators in high-sec to help maintain the value of resources.
If people harass you outside of the TOS report them. I come from a group that gets more than its fair share of RL threats ( countless in game threats ), report them. In general CCP does an adequate job at dealing with threats.
Finally use the block feature. It cuts down on 97% of the nonesense that people generate in this game (and on the forums).