No, what post are you reading? 
I was saying most cloaky campers really are AFK as well.
O look another 300 post thread full of carebears crying for more safety in what’s supposed to be the most dangerous area in the game… get out. Nothing with cloaking should be changed. We need MORE ways to kill null PvEers for this game to be healthy not less.
You carebears really are a selfish lot. You come to an MMO and then cry that you have to play with other players to the point that CCP actually REMOVES content for everyone else.
If you play this game to PvE by yourself and then complain that you aren’t safe enough you are entitled and toxic and you need to quit Eve and play something else.
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As a future cloaky camper, I’m going to need a new weapon, I want a cyno that non-consensually sucks up other people’s ships and sends them to the hell of my choosing.
This way, after I listen for days, weeks, months, and if I have the stamina to stay off my keyboard for that long, years, to all the endless freaking out, I can suddenly swoop in with my shiny new AutoSuckCyno II and clear out the drivel.
Tada!
Content!
Until I get this new weapon I’m going to practice launching bombs at stuff, sneaking around while being in local, and preventing people from getting stuff done.
I will do all of this while I am AFK, I don’t know how, but apparently it’s possible. Maybe I have to train AFK to V and that’s only available after I get around to training for the use of cyno beacons and learn how to play Eve while I’m off doing other stuff.
It’s a hell of a skill, being able to terrorize this many people while they somehow detect that you are not even there and to get them to decide that you are a threat when all they had to do was keep you out in the first place, or failing that, prevent you from cloaking once you arrive by filling the areas around stuff you could warp to with junk.
Meanwhile I want my AutoSuckCyno, and CCP, while you are at it, I would like breakfast served to me in bed by someone handsome and quiet. Eight in the morning would be fine.
Remember fokes, a vote for me is a vote for fun!
I won’t take away your guns, I will make you use them.
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Aww crap, I forgot, I won’t be able to see you because I will be AFK, and you won’t be able to see me because I will be cloaked while having my campfire, tent and marshmallows nerfed…
Goddamit, there is no Justice.
You get it.
It’s exactly the same thing.
Some people refuse to admit it, but it’s the same thing. People are not risk averse to be attack, they are upset by the lack of clear counter.
No people just want a way to counter perma afk cloacking. I m fine with hunting, and i want more way to active hunting.
But actually cloacky camping make people just stop to play and so it remove target for active hunter. And it’s my issue.
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I think you pretty much nailed it and it is my issue too
All this talk about carebears and being upset and so on, nada nada are smokescreens.
I am pretty sure that if there was a counter so many of the players that gave up would not have given up, it is nothing to do with being a carebear or rubbish like that, it is basically all to do with no counter.
That being said I always thought that the counter should not ruin cloaks, but be an issue for those that are AFK. So that the normal approach to going AFK for an extended period would be to find a safe and safe log.
I find it just a low effort tedious play by people who are not really hunters as in they want things to fall in their laps with no real effort, which is a turn off to normal players. They need to get better at Eve and be active hunters.
Counter for what?
What can the cloaked ship ACTUALLY DO?
And don’t say cyno or any of that because all those require the ship to decloak first and those things all have their own counter.
You do not want active hunting. You want to PvE with impunity in what is supposed to be Lawless PvP space.
It does not remove content for anyone but entitled PvEers who do not think they should have to PvP in Lawless PvP space.
Anybody that’s sitting docked all day because of a cloaky camper isn’t going to undock for a non-cloaky camper either.
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To hunt them, if CCP adds something that will enable people to hunt someone who goes AFK for a long period for area denial then people will be happy. It is pretty obvious what was meant by that comment no counter.
Area denial, area denial, area denial, do I have to spell it out.
Have you tried to bait someone who is AFK? So with you reply you are happy with AFK mining and AFK VNI ratting?
He wants to hunt people who are in the system for an extended period of time AFK and not doing anything, baiting does not work if AFK.
Do you like playing AFK hellokittyonline?
I take it that you are also supporting all aspects of AFK play.
Active gameplay has dealt more damage to the game than AFK gameplay. All AFK gameplay ever did was increase the PLEX price. Active gameplay (active mining, active ratting, active moon mining, etc) have increased plex prices, wrecked the economy, removed targets, made other targets unassailable, among many other harmful things.
That damage is unavoidable though. Without active players there would be no point in having the servers running. Kind of pointless to look at how playing the game ‘damages’ the game.
It is however useful to look at how afk gameplay damages the game for the rest of the players who do play the game.
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And how does it damage the game for people who play the game? AFK farmers are targets for active players, AFK moon mining generated more content than active moon mining and enabled groups to afford more things to play with, AFK people do not take away from playing people because they play all the time. AFK campers don’t take away anything either. If they prevent a group from ratting, that group would run away from appearing hostiles as soon as they see them within 10 jumps, too.
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So why can’t that apply to AFK cloaky campers?
This is also laughable too, because are you saying that those players have to deliver themselves to any roaming gang because you demand it?
That seems to be the idea of that guy Dictateur Imperator, yes.
He is merely asking for some mechanic which creates a way to hunt afk cloaky campers, which is what I would like to see in the game too, but without destroying cloaks.
I have not seen him say anything else, and certainly not what I asked you, but you can’t answer that question can you. By the way this rant:
Is off topic…
He is talking about how cloaky campers take way targets from his active hunting because the targets are not in space due to their systems being camped. See here:
Hence, he’s asking exactly for what I pointed out.
When CCP finally introduces a counterplay to cloaked ships, these complainers won’t be able to catch any of them anyway, so they will come back to the forums to complain that the cloaked ships must be AFK and botting to avoid being detected/hunted.
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No it is not, I asked you whether your statement was that people must deliver content to any roaming gang coming through. His statement:
is merely about the impact of sad stale boring AFK cloaky camping.
You think that AFK cloaky camping is the natural punishment for people who do not partake in your pvp fun. He is not saying that at all.
LMAO
Not at all. I am indifferent to cloaky camping. I have been camped for a few weeks now but they have not impacted my activity. I do not see cloaky camping as a big issue. It can be annoying at times when you don’t know what to expect from the neutrals but many campers are just daft. One particularly try-harding guy even went for my bait ship despite my killboard clearly indicating that I like to bait.
I do not believe that and I have said repeatedly that I do not think that that every ratter should throw themselves into hunter knives at every possible occasion. But if someone says that cloaky camping takes away targets from him and his hunting, I get the strong feeling that this guy expects this from other people.