Congratulations, you just disagreed with me by repeating my argument.
Because we had a goal. Rebuild cap fleet after fiasco and take better sov.
Then blackout rolled in, and guess what. No building is not even the beginning. The whole point of having better sov, or sov at all, kinda disappeared, because without supercap umbrella, there is no way to use it, and as you know, you cannot build a supercap umbrella without having a supercap umbrella, because everybody and his dog will come get on your sotiyo killmail if you can’t deter it with supers.
So, at any moment, CCP may remove my ability to harvest sov for war, war itself, and the whole point of sov. The blackout instantly devalued everything I’ve done before. So what if I do it now, then they devalue it into nothingness again? Can’t overcome that blackout PTSD, since then I’ve been a very light and fleeting presence just helping my mates, who are the last reason I log in, and…
…is your suggestion to remove even that? Might as well not even log in anymore.
The whole point of why the risk averse crowd is so happy with filaments - they make them uncatchable. Zero risk roaming instant gratification brought them in. They are now the customer, and I’m the dumpster clown. Why would I pay for being a dumpster clown?
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High level of player combat
So there will be 2 carriers shooting each other just off the keepstar or fort, with a fax repping each one, and capping each other up, to keep the index up. Or maybe even just 2 Bhaalgorns NOS’ing each other.
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Meanwhile other people who aren’t as incompetent as you and your alliance had no trouble building and operating supercapitals. Perhaps you should stop being a helpless perma-victim?
And if you honestly have “blackout PTSD” then the best thing for your mental health would be to quit EVE.
…is your suggestion to remove even that? Might as well not even log in anymore.
Finding an alliance that is better aligned with your active hours is “might as well not log in anymore”?
The whole point of why the risk averse crowd is so happy with filaments - they make them uncatchable.
Utter nonsense. They’re only uncatchable if they never engage anything, and if all they’re going to do is sit in local yelling insults at you then you can ignore them.
Why are you assuming that this is not something CCP has anticipated? If you thought of it this quickly then surely someone at CCP has had the same thought and the PvP mechanic will likely be tied to the value of ship losses in the system. PvP without losses and suiciding hordes of cheap ships probably won’t have any significant effect, and sacrificing enough ISK worth of ships to apply the buff will probably cost way more than you get in increased income.
Of course, I could always get into a bloc and in a super and be a megakrab there.
However, the whole point of me staying with my current group is to NOT be in a bloc.
And having a super within drop range of blocs is gonna end only one way, having one would be incompetent.
If you suddenly get the notification that years of your in-game effort have been nullified, it’s gotta hurt. That’s what blackout was. Goal being in sight only made it that more painful.
Once again, slowly. I do that outside alliance prime time exactly because the stupid filament traffic increases by that prime time, and I can’t do it in prime time because of that. If I try, it would be incessant stream of reshipping only to see the filament trace and smug asshatery in local, while sitting in a pvp ship and just undocking and warping it towards the chickens is enough to get the same effect and same amount of ratting done.
Let’s imagine I magically got into alliance that is more active during less stupid traffic. That would still mean constant reships, abyssal traces on dscan, and babysitting ESS until it ungracefully burps your ISK out 3 hours later, which is still a bother, a chore, and non-sustainable, just like blackout.
EXACTLY. They never intended to engage any pvp ship. They are there to snatch a barge or pve ship, and filament out. So you can’t have a barge out with chickens around, meaning they won, because you can’t do anything, and they are just being dumb bouncers until you amass enough response to make them chicken-filament out.
Doubling the price for russians amidst pandemic worked like a charm.
Unfortunately, game quality massively degraded.
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So let me get this straight: you don’t want to be in a major nullsec group, but you also want to be able to have a supercapital umbrella like the nullsec groups and if you can’t have enough risk-free farming to build one then you get PTSD from the experience?
If you suddenly get the notification that years of your in-game effort have been nullified, it’s gotta hurt. That’s what blackout was.
Utter nonsense, unless the goal of your effort was “RMT bot 23/7”. All goals except risk-free farming were still viable.
I do that outside alliance prime time exactly because the stupid filament traffic increases by that prime time, and I can’t do it in prime time because of that.
So join another alliance.
Why is this so complicated for you? Join an alliance where their active hours are the hours where you are trying to farm.
They never intended to engage any pvp ship.
Then what’s the problem? If they’re never going to engage then you can ignore them. Close local and go back to farming.
So you can’t have a barge out with chickens around
Utter nonsense. Have you tried using a bait barge?
that would be nice 
Hard to believe when I have seen people ratting in a Null incursion system where the payout is %50 reduced. The safety factor always determines where people will go, a hit in income is always going to be chosen over loosing a ship. The other factor is loss of income stopping to PvP vs just letting the hostiles move along and be someone else’s problem, though this might be offset by the slight uptick in multiplier whilst ratting is paused.
If you could train reading comprehension to level 1, you’d see that I was arguing that I can’t have supercap umbrella exactly because of no-blue-blocs rule. Can’t build supercaps without supercap umbrella anyway, so I never intended to. Instead, it was a cap program, so we could have a proper nullsec cap response against anything but blocks when they get serious.
Unlike chicken filamenting, farming for a cap is not risk free by any margin. Do you realize how long you need to expose yourself in a barge (no rorqs, same reason as with supers) to build a single cap?
PTSD is not because of risk-free farming, it was never risk-free 4 jumps out of lowsec and NPC null, so to hell with that. PTSD was because the effort of several years got nullified without a trace by one extremely dumb CCP action. If it was on me, I could take measures to not ■■■■ up again, you know. But there’s nothing I can do to prevent another blackout.
I’m gonna call you utter nonsense from now on, because you are.
I never RMTd, and do not support RMT. If my goal was to RMT, I’d be in a bloc, in a super, with a dozen gilabots in tow.
The goal to get better sov was absolutely destroyed, because without super under super umbrella, usage of that sov became 100% impossible. All subcap and cap life got utterly eradicated. Having anything but super under super umbrella lost all viability 100%.
In case you don’t get it first 4 times, utter nonsense, the people in that exact alliance is the LAST and ONLY reason I bother logging in. Trade that for what, more ISK? Why would I need that? If I needed that, I could get into a bloc in a super and be a megakrab like everyone else there is. There is nothing stopping me, I got my 100mil SP, I got 87% dangerous zkill rating, and a wallet, albeit hit by PLEXing, still capable of purchasing and fitting a super right away. I could be in Goons, NC, Horde, Test, you name it - tomorrow.
Yet I didn’t. Because I despise blocks, and I share that despise with my alliance mates. That is the problem.
The problem is, my dear utter nonsense, in you being very low in reading comprehension. They would surely engage a pve ship, they won’t engage pvp ship, but being in a pvp ship, I cannot sustain my sov bills, my structures, and my plexing. So being in pvp ship is losing, and that’s what chickens can do even by not engaging.
Of course. After wasting 36 hours of sitting on it, we got a condor and a loki, and ever since that exact barge and everyone on that kill were marked by absolute accurate instant killboard intel, making this trap 100% useless, which everyone except perhaps mr utter nonsense could be able to tell.
Now every idiot just opens killboard, and if he sees that barge and cannot see the rest of the trap in barges around it, he just goes and hits something else, making us sit on that trap like an idiots to no end, losing in pvp ships. We tried it and confirmed what was obvious to anyone above 40 IQ - a trap achieves nothing but satisfaction of catching an occasional moron, at the price of HUNDREDS of man-hours per moron, and therefore is not worth more than dumb chicken roaming.
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Now everyone has to pay to play like me! I am actually kinda happy with this change. The days of plexing an acoount/s is over. the only down side is nullsec will fold after this, what reason will anyone have to go there? Mining for isk nerfed, ratting for isk nerfed! You can fly big ships there which was the reason I tried null, but now you can’t replace them. They should just be honest and say hey guys our share holders arn’t happy with the free to play model if you grind out mining or ratting so we will make it close to impossible. Just pay a subscription and you can space rage all you like!
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Ok so trick 101 to max bounty:
1-Make alpha alt
2-Ask to a corpmate to kill you in a system
3-Raise bounty
4-make isk
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I know this will likely be rated down by PVP’ers to the point it is at the tail-end of this thread, but allow me to put in my 2 cents here, if but for a day.
Let’s first start by explaining that I am a renter. I’m a 5 year old character that’s played off and on and have honestly played the game and earned myself a super-carrier through ratting and missions (in reverse order); I haven’t scammed a soul and I haven’t taken any handouts. Unlike some here, I don’t have billions of isk in my wallet at all times and if I have enough to replace my nyx - well, it’s rare. Why? Because you have to spend more time docked up through the ***hats running through than you spend out ratting. The little time you are out ratting these days only allows for an income of about 1b isk - if it’s quiet. If not, you’re lucky to rake in 100m throughout the course of a day.
Let’s face it, the big corps/alliances are propped up by renters - that’s why we exist. This change will not just “sting” renters - it will cause them to quit the game entirely. So, if you’re in a big corp in a war right now, you may want to talk with your leadership before you run off in here touting that this is a great change.
I see this change is being championed by the very folks who want to see the ratters more exposed with less isk to replace their ships. Follow me for a moment down this rabbit hole: Ratters get exterminated, isk ceases to be printed, and all of the big guys running the big corps has control over 99.9% of the EVE economy without exception.
That doesn’t sound fun. But good luck in rating down this post and rooting out the ratters in the game. Hopefully this dying game can survive yet another blow by CCP.
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Another in a long list of whiners not getting what they want so therefore, “the game is dying”…too used to being warm and fuzzy in their safety blanket to see the other side of the coin. Guess it’s just easier to whine and play the victim…
You obviously don’t rent to make such a retarded statement. There is no warm and fuzzy in renter space - it’s almost always hunted and contested and there is no ship replacement program (which is usually funded by renter alliances).
No, your experience is warm and fuzzy, Sir. I wish a renter corp/alliance had a ship replacement program.
You are missing the point and just focusing on the “warm and fuzzy” bit…try again, sir. What is the other side of the coin?
What you’re literally advocating is to make ratting riskier than the ship is worth to rat in. Your math doesn’t add up. If you bear the risk of being blown up every week in a 20b nyx, then you damned sure better be making 20b isk to replace it. While being careful helps, it means you make even less isk and what you (and by extension: CCP) is proposing is having ratters bear a much bigger risk with much less income. The math doesn’t add up.
A billion isk a day sounds pretty warm and fizzy to me.
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Holy ■■■■. Stop WHINING and think!
HINT: “The math doesn’t add up.”
So then what will happen?