Delay Local

Lol :smiley:

As neutral, they wouldnt care if they dont share it, or delay it, either.

Yes i agree but as i said they have a very nice personality. They care for us!

If by “there” you mean they were aiming for Greenland and ended up in Newfoundland by accident… then yeah, I guess they got “there”.

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It’s storytime!
I have a memory: i’m in room with two beds (looking like room in cheap hotel). This is hotel of our local airport. There is old mechanical watchclock on the table showing deep night. Yes, it’s night outside and there is heavy snow. We are waiting here and i’m very tired and want to sleep. But we are waiting to go out to our flight.

I was curious about this memory. And several years ago i finally asked my mother about it.
She was shocked: this event happened to us when i was half-a-year old. We wanted to fly to another city but weather was bad (heavy snow) and our flight was delayed by almost a day (talking about 24 hours or even longer). We were waiting there (hoping to get into aircraft at any moment when snow ends) and father was visiting us time by time to get us some food.

That’s the way we lived before radars and all this stuff.

Let’s reinstate it to W-space then.

Also, let’s give them nullbear asset safety for their destroyed citadels.

And let’s give them null moon goo cos the market has already crashed on the W-space stuff.

And let them have the endlessly regenerating belt rats and their overgenerous rewards.

You can compare null to wspace as much as you want but they are two different things.

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Adding OA to NS as Local is there now, would be OP.
Thus Local needs to be either delayed or removed, before/concurrent withh OAs.
An OA that returns Local intel, defeats the purpose of removing/delaying Local.
An OA that provides Local, would make Local possible in WHs.

Nobody wants an OA that you buy/build/place/fuel to provide service to people you dont want it to.

OAs should be an easy to find/destroy Upwell structure.

Multiple OAs would severely impair enemy action in the system, so arguably only one should be placeable per system.

The OA should only effect the system it is in.

The OA should only be able to provide one service at a time, preferably with a cooldown period before another service can be activated.

I warned you :stuck_out_tongue:

Warned me of what?

You don’t say.

What you can’t justify is why nullbear space should have all these things but W-space shouldn’t.

You can have cynos and stuff if you really want…

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When i lived in wspace i made more money even with rolling the statics with my group so i really dont understand why are you complaining :stuck_out_tongue:

I think they’d happily take that deal if Local, asset safety and ISK printing came with it.

We’ve already established that no you didn’t. You didn’t account for time spent scanning and rolling, and you definitely didn’t account for the time it takes for sites to regenerate.

And W-space is at least twice as dangerous as 0.0. So they should be able to make double the ISK.

A couple hundred people in W-Space earn 12T ISK. Many thousands of people earn 64T in Null sec. You tell me what’s imbalanced.

And dangerous? Where is the danger? You crit or roll the entries into your ratting system and are perfectly safe for hours to farm the system.

If I knew what you were talking about, I would.

And dangerous? Where is the danger? You crit or roll the entries into your ratting system and are perfectly safe for hours to farm the system.

I said “twice as dangerous”, having already proven that you can farm with absolute safety in 0.0.
If anyone enters your 0.0 system, you’ll know about it a good 30s before they can scram/disrupt you. If you can’t warp to safety in that time, it’s your own fault.

This is not true in W-space where there is no Local.

Yes, most WHs can be rolled but that’s not without risks. It’s basically jumping into uncharted space with a carrier or 5x BS. And then with a HIC, which has quite a high SP requirement. And it’s quite easy to roll yourself out.

All this eats into your farming time.

You can’t roll a frig hole so there’s nothing stopping a fleet of Lokis and Svipuls coming for you. All statics regenerate, so you get an hour’s relative safety.

I say relative safety, because you never know if someone logged off in your system. No Local to see them on and chances of catching them on D scan are low.

Additionally, new WHs can appear at any time.

I won’t repeat how if you lose your citadel, you lose everything in it, which typically means everything you own.

Is it super-dangerous? No. We’re comparing it to the effortless, safe, ubiquitous ISK-printing of nullbear farming. W-space IS twice as dangerous as that, even if you have no frigholes and roll everything.

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Nope, the delay in local allows for gankers to more easily gank.

Yes, that’s the idea. End the effortless, safe, ubiquitous ISK-printing of 0.0 and give PvPers targets in the place that should be least safe.

Delayed Local would work the same way for both aggressor and defender.

Both will have to use other means to detect/ascertain whether they are alone in the system, and where, who the others there may be, until the delayed Local refreshes their list.

Thats why they have much higher rewards. Scanning 20 sigs takes max 5-7 minutes, rolling isnt that big thing if you have 4-5 free pilots so i still dont understand why are you complaining. The worst moment was when one of our roller got stuck on the other side and the only thing i didnt take into account was his rescue operation lol.