Would be nice to see if they release real statistic numbers :
How many sub-based accounts vs free to play accounts - from there you can make an assumption of which direction the game development will go.
If FtP > Subs - mostly Guild Wars 2 a-like model - free core game/client, for expansions, skins, maybe some ships, additional mechanics like cloaking etc. you have to pay extra. No Pay to Win there.
If Subs > FtP - same old structure - as long as you have enough paying hamsters - Apple “adepts” alike - why change anything ? Second Innovation of a product cycle is either created by competition start ups - Bill Gates or decreasing value forcedrive with minds like Steve Jobs.
Mate I understand the analogy that how you explain the botter, but I would say yep botters generating isk each day, but is it possible that a general ratter which referring chose ratting as professions somehow have access to the ratting field each day and generated like 100 miles per hour in general alliance space, and therefore they produce 1bil per day time by one single account,
towards botters as counterpart, they have to spread out like more accounts and more participation’s instead to generate similar amount of fare, as a result,they carry in more plex each months than general ratting professionals, I would say it somehow dissolved the damage they bring in, but slightly driven by the game environment to a case of being economical participant rather than simply bots, I meant they have to add more accounts make the botting make sense , and that changes the case from auto isk to something out due to the effect they bring along with more accounts as subscriptions which means plex and disolved by the economical climate, don’t you think, mate? I meant somebody have to farm out all those isk to get them ready realise plex and items ships out any way, doesn’t matter who do that, tho.
I bet there’s a breaking point some how the game structure can take as percentage as botters, beyond that, the economy would go collapse and the botters would become damage rather than economical participants.
Ratting Bots are simply ISK Print Factories - so whats the problem besides EULA violation ? They cause PLEX and all other “limited” in game “goods” like T2 to rise. In economical terms more money means inflation - prices are rising. Very good example after WW1 hyperinflation Germany alike. Just compare PLEX price 2012 and now - from 250m to 1,5b
My God you just do not grasp opportunity cost do you?
Don’t bother answering, it was rhetorical.
You do realize that every account that was subbed and then “unsubbed” became FtP, right? So that inequality is almost surely true unless you go in and remove those who haven’t logged in for X amount of time or something and then the inequality is dependent on X.
Don’t bother, Salvos is patient zero for Salvos Derangement Syndrome.
Okay…cripes…why am I always explaining basic economics and facts?
Yes, bots represent a problem in terms of inflation. Unchecked botting could lead to high levels of inflation where players disinclined to bot feel inclined to bot just to keep up. This is not good at all.
Now…is there actual inflation in game to support this fear?
_** NO!_**
The CPI is at about 60 right now. When I joined the game 11 years ago it was at…wait…wait…wait…it was at 60.
What number on the vertical access the blue line near at the end of 2008? What is it near now? If I had to guess 62 maybe 63.
And hyperinflation is unlikely to happen simply via bots, IMO. Hyperinflation is usually an issue with the government using the printing press to pay off it’s debts. CCP cannot pay off any debts with ISK. They could try on the basis of they make us all EVE trillionaires hoping that we go and gobble up all the PLEX sending the PLEX price through the roof, and people then go buy more PLEX to take advantage of that higher price…but since we are all EVE trillionaires why would be be buying PLEX to sell for ISK?
I admit, despite the overwhelming evidence of what happens with corporate acquisitions, to holding the quite possibly foolish hope that EvE will be ok…maybe even better.
Will we:
Could it possibly be:
Much of EvE players are not kids and should be able to see what is coming down the road. EvE will never be even as it is now, whether that be one month or one year from now.
Complete paradigm shift for EvE.
Pearl Abyss won’t care if all players currently playing EvE quit once they get their desired program going. HTFU culture is gone. CCP meeting financial goals will only delay at best.
Nevertheless, I will join my fellow foolish deniers in staying here in foolish hope…at least for some months…
and why was that mate?
anyway mate, my point is till now bot exists and didn’t break or collapse the current economy, all I’m saying is that it’s not quite bad yet so far and why and how the game environment Has adapted it to slow it down and dissolved off.
You know mate you are right and also good analogy to the German recovery from Second World War, but the prize of a plex going four times over ten years is more effected by the growth of economy, not the glitch of botter results, don’t you think? We dun have to fix anything out of that glitch because we don’t need, eve so far is expanding and the rate of its economical grow is quite steady, even tho botters taking effects but some how with all other problems along, eve is going alright and staedy, but those problems haven’t quite strong enough to bend the economical growth out of its track, I would say everything seems steady as it anticipated before and , botters can raise its effect to game but somehow with it’s scale of operations, it could be just an issue that reminds us but not likely to be the results of economical growth. I meant over ten years, I bet any thing changes and the price or value to it is raised due to current market but not the automated labors , don’t you think mate?
The chart shows recent faster growth of the value of plex, I meant we have to face it rationally, with years of technological advancement the eve universe introduced, the better and more complex combat and production systems evolved, more materials and process grows , more professions generated over these years, eve is not as its born like before, it evolved and sophisticated at current state and those changes of plex value wouldn’t be a surprise would it , mate, I meant our society grows and at some point the peak to its common value such as gold or any thing comercially recognisable would appear, and it could not be valued or viewed by any historical point of view but just simply growing to a stage that it has to be, don’t you think mate.
Yep mate I notice that a great examples on the concept of value, a flower ball that used to worth a house, now is commonly placed to our vases in house hold, that exactly is the point that, a much complex system in our reality, the economical and social along with industry context, speeded up and scaled it down its presence as a valuable product as much valueable to a house, it simply represented the progression towards those complex systematrical context thru these years span with the term of value, I mean we all assuming it’s quite reasonable prize for it now is simply our acknowledgement towards our current economical and social, also industrial system and all these years changes as growth and progression within.
Good decision. People leaving the game now would most likely not change a thing at this moment in time anyway. On the contrary; it might even open the door wider for the introduction of P2W mechanics (should this be on CCP/PA’s agenda). What’s the harm in milking the cow for all it’s worth if your subscribers have demonstrated they’re not loyal to your brand anyway.
Much better to wait until CCP/PA does something with the game that is indicative of them not being content anymore with some of you money, but want ALL of your money instead. That’s the moment you massively slam the door in their face.
Oh boy, looks like all the carebears are projecting their little dreams and hopes onto this.
I agree. But you can already get ISK for $ which can buy you everything in EVE so that qualifies.
And even if they would literally add golden ammo, CCP has created the perfect P2W laundering system by allowing the resale of the stuff on the market so people will just argue you can get it for ISK (like they already do with skill extractors).
The ONLY thing they could make worse is if they would introduce shop items you can not sell on the market or in contracts. And even then it will probably take a few minutes for someone to argue you can just get PLEX from the market with ISK and use that…
Think about the implications of this for a moment.
CCP would be foolish to not pull out all the stops inorder to get at 200mill bonus.
That may well involve disregarding what a segment of players think, inorder to make sure they generate enough revenue to hit their quota.
So far Nova, Aurora and Galaxy arent earning CCP anything except development costs. Valkyrie/Gunjack revenue is very small.
PA wont like CCP liquidating assets to reach the revenue targets, as it would mean the actual value of CCP that they bought is being sold off to pay for their own bonus.
That moves the crosshair onto EVE as the primary vehicle to ensure the revenue targets are met, inorder to cash in the 200mill carrot.
200mill bonus can make people/companies do crazy things, especially if we are talking about short term revenue with no regard for the long run.
TLDR: Players and EVE are expendable as losses. That 200mill bonus, is not.
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