Dev blog: Changes Coming To The New Eden Store With The March Release

Well, gotta agree with the majority here, the Dev’s that are making this change are just flat out plain stupid.

Instead of retiring those items from the store forever, they could just as easily put them into rotation. That way both old and new players will always have an opportunity to buy those items.

There’s been some very good alternate suggestions posted by the community in this thread, CCP seriously needs to pull their heads out and start listening.

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So the first batch of sales started.

Now, how do I tell from NES window if I have a skin or not? WTF CCP?

  • Bots running rampant
  • RMT way out of control
  • Player numbers on a steady downfall for years
  • Side-project after side-project failing
  • EVE being mismanaged and milked into certain death
  • etc.

I think you’re right. They desperately need cash to keep the boat afloat for just a little longer.

@CCP_Falcon No, really

That’s 75 SKINS if you didn’t buy any earlier. Say, I want to buy them all, I did not buy any of them earlier and I want them all now. @CCP_Falcon what’s Your best way to go about it?

Do You open the news with the list, open NES window, open market-SKINs window, open Character sheet-Skins window, which one is your personal favorite? Do You then start picking one by one from the list from the news? Or what? Did you guys try actually buying SKINS in bulk, say 50 or 75 at once? Then activating them all one by one? Feel comfortable? Convenient menus? One click buys? How do you tell if you have a SKIN already from NES window?

@CCP_karkur Do those make sense? Or am I just being too picky?

Who else could I summon or send suggestions to? Don’t have to be too bright to come up to those really. Plain QoL little changes. And its straight monetization stuff, one could think those be top priority fixes too.

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Since we’re at the skins department. Can I ask fo a Cold Iron everything skin? Deep, dark, flat black is where my money is :roll_eyes:

Looks like the skins department has got some more energy to it. Not sure whether I like it yet but looking at Dramiel’s Sariel’s Flames on SiSi, it’s certainly stands out.

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@CCP_Falcon @CCP_karkur So I went and bought all Ardishapur (8/8) and Kopis Edge (23/61) SKINS which are on sale now. Ardishapur was easy, only 8 of them, I didn’t have any, just buy them one by one. Kopis Edge… you noticed how I marked 23/61 are on sale? In NES window you can see which of them exactly are on sale. In Character sheet-SKINs you can check if you have activated SKINs you don’t need to buy. Such convenience, much life quality. WHy does it have to be so hard? Its monetization FFS.

Let me post some screenshots I took.

You open Character sheet - SKINs tab. Say you want to buy Bowhead Caldari livery, you click info. Bowhead ship info opens, you open SKINS tab in ships info and look for Bowhead Caldari livery again. If you want to buy other caldari livery you open SKIN material info. BINGO!

Now, why is it not what you see in character skins tab?

Wouldn’t it be awesome if you could see if you got a skin active, and could buy in one click all at the same place? And see if sale is on too.

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I’d like to recommend that SKINs that are retired from the New Eden Store be moved in game to the appropriate Loyalty Point Store, at least for some time. While these SKINs may no longer generate much in real money sales, they may still generate in-game sales for loyalty points.

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CCP does need to rework its NES store a bit - as some have suggested, reorganise the skins for each hull, and then select the one you want, rather than have 100 million options on the frontpage.

Also, release some of the clothes in the client!:

Of all the things that Arline is wearing in the picture, only her shirt and her left eye are actually available. and that picture is a good 2-3 years old now.

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ok folks, everything is about $$$. This is an experiment to see if they can wring more krona from virtual items like any other game now. If it doesnt work, they’ll change it back. End.

LEL. That dress was first seen on Singularity in 2011, pre-Crucible:

Would be ridiculous if this wasn’t !!CCP!! at work.

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I totally understand the desire (need) to change up the NES store, and it does make sense to create a rotation of available items and SKINS as a way to generate interest and sales. Addressing the NES and making it easily navigated should certainly be a priority, especially since that is a main avenue for revenue.

However, when one usually looks at something and says “this [space] is cluttered,” the common response is not “let’s throw out a bunch of stuff” but “let’s organize it better.” Deleting items from the store permanently doesn’t encourage people to buy them any more than putting them on rotation - especially considering, later players who might have an interest in those items (read: spend real money) will never have that opportunity. That is literal money wasted.

Personal opinion: Organizing the NES site (including the creation of availability rotations) should be the priority, not deleting content.

Side note: I actually enjoyed walking around the captain quarters, I thought it added to the immersion. I was kind of sad to see it go.

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So was I, but remember, at that point, it was orphan code. They even said when they pulled it by then, it was actually an impediment to any future ambulation attempt.

So, let’s hope, eh?

And why would players buy dresses ? we don’t have “walking in stations” option anymore so all of the apparel is totally useless.

Hi, I’m a rather large investor in the skin market. I have over 64 billion ISK in SKINs currently https://imgur.com/a/wKh7N , and I’d like to point out something concerning about the SKIN market that all players considering investing in SKINs should be aware of. Buyer beware, don’t get taken for a ride until CCP clears up some things on how they will handle SKINs in the future.

Please note the fact that I am selling SKINs, and I am warning people away from investing in SKINs. This is not good for my investment, but I have money to burn, and some suckers out there might get the idea that buying plex to invest in SKINs is a good idea. It might be a good idea, but CCP should at least give players some kind of guarantee regarding SKINs and how they are distributed into circulation or modified.

This statement from CCP is a warning sign:

WILL RETIRED SKINS EVER RETURN TO THE STORE?
While most SKINs will be gone for good once they have been retired, we will look for opportunities to bring back popular and thematic SKINs for limited sales in future.

To any long term investor that bought SKINs as an investment because their SKIN was retired, these “opportunities” are a knife in the back of your investment. If you are holding SKINs when this happens, your investment is sunk. If you actually spent real life money on PLEX to get these SKINs, then I don’t know about you, but I’d be furious, because CCP knows exactly what they are doing to you, but they already have your money so why would they care?

On to the second point I wanted to make: CCP has been giving out SKINs from events. SKINs like Spirit and Glacial Drift and Exoplanets and others are given out in events, some have been given out multiple years in a row. If you buy SKINs, and CCP chooses to give out a SKIN you are speculating on for an event reward, once again, your investment is sunk.

The third point I wanted to make is to point out that last year, there were 2 SKIN types (Glacial Drift and Guardian’s Gala) that had the suffix YC119 in their name. This would lead one to believe that they were SKINs from that year. Sometime around October, CCP changed the name of the SKINs to remove the YC119 from the name, and then re-issued both Glacial Drift and Gala(renamed Spirit) for Christmas and the months after and gave them away to ALL players for free. If CCP is going to keep changing all the names of the SKINs, and might just re-issue the SKIN that you have chosen as an investment, well once again, your investment is sunk.

4th point: Saying CCP is “retiring” SKINs means nothing when they “might” come back at some point.

So basically, CCP is doing all kinds of shenanigans with SKINs at the moment, and until there is some kind of outline or promise from CCP regarding their behavior on this, I would not recommend buying them as a long-term investment. We have no idea how CCP will release SKINs in the future, or if they will flood the market with thousands of copies of whatever SKIN you are holding for free on a whim.

A fair compromise between CCP and Players would be for CCP to “seal” SKINs they put on retirement(consider it a rotation, as a retirement with comebacks arent really retirements are they?) . Give players a timer to look at to see how long the skin is sealed for. Forever?(AT SKINS) 5 years? 2 years? 1 year? 6 months? This timer is CCPs promise to the player they aren’t going to screw with the SKIN for that long (sell or give away). That would keep the speculation market stable and active, and would eliminate CCP giving players a giant fisting on investments. It doesnt mean you have to re-issue them.

Seriously, whos idea was it to just rename the YC119 SKINs and re-issue them? That was a masterful stroke in laziness and how not to interfere in the market in eve online. Shaaaame. Shaaaame. ♫(bell)♫ Like holy crap open the material, change the colour and call it frosty drift nips or something. It’s not like you just didn’t do that when you made the glacial drift material available to like 250 additional ships.

If CCP did these kind of things with the PLEX market, or T2 market, or minerals market or whatever market, people would lose their minds. But I doubt most people notice it happening, and the people that do notice it happening are quietly consolidating their stockpiles of SKINs and can accept the random short term losses until the next potential overturning of their market by CCP.

TL ; DR : Casual investor, beware. CCPlease, stop messing with the SKIN market so much, consider the “Seal” idea. If you touch the victory edition SKINs there’s going to be a revolt.

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You may never know CCP might bring back CQ and WIS after they have developed a 64-bit version of Eve…

CQ was very old and outdated so they could bring it back sometime in the future…

But i would be happy with a less room idea, for example docking port with window and then a door to your office with a desk and a bed. There is no need for a corridor and a large area for your avatar.

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From someone who buys apparel.

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So the next batch is on sale. Cool.

@CCP_Falcon did you find my suggestions reasonable? Is anything going to happen to SKINs UI anytime soon™?

I think Ship Tree window, NES and SKINs tab in character sheet need to merge somehow. NES is nice showcase to sell stuff, but it lacks many things. It doesn’t show if you have a skin already active for example. The delay after you buy a skin is like 5 seconds or more until you can activate it. Why is that? Did you try buying several SKINs? Did you try buying all the skins from your sale batch and activating them? It took me half of hour the last time and I only bought half from the list.

I’m pretty sure Ship Tree window is only ever used by newer players. And it could be used to showcase ships and skins collection.

SKINs tab in character sheet looks like work in progress, early alfa or beta state UI piece, this is outrageous. Is this what your monetization should look like? When I open NES I should be screaming shut up and take my money, and now it may look nice, but it is inconvenient place to make purchases. Its easier and faster to buy from show info tabs. FFS, really?

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you never know…

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If you’re talking about CCP Rouge I thought much of us agreed to never hold that part of the past against him. God, I really hate that whole “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” mentality.

To be fair a part of what’s wrong with the current skin market is people who buy skins and don’t sell them at all or charge 4-5 times their cost in plex when they’re already hideously overpriced by CCP.
I’ve seen frigate skins for over a 100m. No frigate skin should cost more than 10m it’s just a frigate skin.

There can’t be a healthy market if no one offers realistic prices on anything and CCP overprices anything. They might as well remove the ability to trade skins entirely because if I want a skin that isn’t dropped in game I have to buy Plex and buy it myself otherwise I’m wasting money.

The buy offers are too low, 10000 isk, the sell offers too high thinking they’re gonna charge hundreds of millions or billions for a single skin. They sit there, CCP floods the game with more skins trying to get people to buy them and it stagnates to where we are now. they weren’t meant to be investments tbh.

CCP needs to drop the prices drastically I encourage an actual ingame skin market that isn’t just 3-4 offers on a few skins and some skins are missing entirely from hubs like jita or amarr or they need to remove all skins and just add in a custom camo maker/livery editor like you would in any other game over the last 15 years.
Ship customization shouldn’t cost real money anyway it should be built into the game as a feature.