That SP will only be usable by the alpha players and they have a very small role on the skill injector market. Also, you forgot to put extractor cost in there.
Now, if that player purchases multiple alpha injectors and then goes Omega he could potentially use the unallocated SP on Omega skills and sell the SP, but then you will have:
Alpha: 66M per day = 1980M ISK per 30d for the daily alpha injectors and you will only get 1.5M SP or 3 large injectors, add 1110M ISK for the extractors (convert ratio for 10 extractors sale on the LP store at 3.3M or about 370M ISK) and you get a total cost of 3090M ISK, 3 injectors will sell (790M ISK base price) for 2370M ISK and you will end up losing -720M ISK, in comparison to:
Omega: At PLEX price 3.3M ISK and 790M ISK for large injectors after tax you will make about 29M ISK per 30 days (1,944M SP, almost 4 injectors). Yeah, not very good times for the SP farms at current prices, but Injectors should follow up soon⢠once the cheaper SP has been purchased.
Am I worried about the Injector market? Not at all.
The amount of free Alpha account being created is already injecting massive SP into the market. You can start training 100 Alpha accounts for free to 5m skill points which is what farmers are doing.
Only costs now is to get it above 5m to 5.5 mil to extract the skillpoints. Farmers are doing it with Omega accounts with +5 implants. Then buying extractor for plex/isk/cash to build a 500k injector.
No, they wonât. Farmers already use the tactic to get to 5M SP (and that SP is not extractable) for free and using the daily alpha injectors will be more expensive and unnecessary as I calculated in my previous post. Donât forget the extractor cost!
Not to mention the nightmare of having to log in 100+ accounts every few days to renew the skill queues (remember alphas are limited to 24h queue and currently there are only 3 skills that can be trained to level V to save you some time, the incoming changes will make that easier though). So, running a SP farm looks easy for the bystander, but itâs actually a second job and not that profitable these days.
I mean think about it, if you have hundreds of Billion ISK to sustain a large SP farm, wouldnât be easier to simply put all that ISK on the market and get somewhat good profits with a single account?
I know in terms of cost effectiveness, the Alpha injectors are actually not worth the isk unless time is a factor. Which is why I donât understand why people are complaining about it. It is actually good and viable for Alpha players, CCP and doesnât affect the rest of paying customers much.
No one is going to use Alpha injectors but Alpha clones because it is more cost effective long term to use Omega sub as a normal player.
Farmers wonât be able to capitalise on these injectors because it is simply not worth it in time and isk.
Injector market wonât crash because main users of the current injectors arenât Alpha new players who canât afford it anyway. If I can afford 800m injectors, I rather not waste time with Alpha training.
Old players with unlimited isk trying to build a custom characters wonât bother wasting time injecting daily Alpha injectors and rather just get Omega with +5s and injecting the normal 500k points for isk. Or just buy a character from the market.
I am fully supporting this because I donât see anything bad about it other then the presume 'slippery slope everyone is worried about.
Exactly my thought. Only Alpha players will benefit from this, so letâs just wait and see how much will they use it, because it is not a very cheap option for them.
Hopefully sometime in the future CCP will give us some stats.
I think there is some fundamental misunderstanding in this whole conversation and I think I found out what it is.
The only thing that happens at 5mil ISK for an alpha is that the skill queue stops. That is what people mean by âfree trainigâ, the SP trickle of the skill queue. There is no other SP limit to alphas other than the max amount of SP they can get if they max out all the skills in the new alpha set which amounts to around 20mil SP.
Yes, I read the blog and I watched the video where Rise explained the changes at EVE Vegas.
Letâs summarize again.
The alpha skill set gets expanded and will now contain skills up to battleship and lift the restriction on racial training, which means the max SP an alpha can reach if he would âtrainâ all the skills available to him in the alpha skillset is around 20mil SP
If an alpha has more than 5mil SP the skill queue stops.
Alphas can apply SP to skills in the alpha skill set, however they can not apply the SP to skills not in the skill set like Marauder or PI stuff, etc.
~1500mil ISK : 1 month of Omega access, incl, 1,8 mil SP from skill queue
~800mil ISK : Large Injector - instant 500k SP, no time limit, diminishing returns, no Omega access
~60mil ISK : Alpha Injector - instant 50k SP, once per day, no diminishing returns, no Omega access, only available to Alphas
The injector is for a very specific use-case which did not exist before. It is for alphas who already reached the 5mil SP where the skill queue stops but want to train more skills.
Ok, while I was writing the last comment I came across a thought about how you can âabuseâ the new injectors. Although only once per month.
If you only PLEX for a month and your sub runs out, immediately after you go alpha you use an injector and then go Omega again. This way you get the full day of Omega training as well as the 50k SP from the injector. Nothing game breaking, but given the ridiculous diminishing returns of regular injectors certainly worth a thought.
Yes, at a first glance it really seams like that use-case is very limited. But the more I think about it the more reasons I find this is actually not the case. Letâs discuss this some more:
So this would mainly be attractive for people who:
PLEX their character with ISK per month
Have a lot of SP already (> 80mil SP)
I somehow donât think this is a minority. This will probably be true for a lot of older wealthy players.
Now one could say they probably donât care about 50k SP if they have over 80mil already, but that is probably not true for all of them. There are players who compete with each-other who has more SP, and there are also other reasons why those additional SP could be attractive.
So once per month they now have the option to get an additional 50k SP for 60mil ISK. The alternative would be a Large injector which yields 150k SP for 800mil. This is quite a difference if you ask me and it could make this actually an issue.
No, any alpha can use an alpha injector. The injector increases the unallocated SP pool, so even a maxed-out alpha with 20M SP can inject them, they can just not actually apply them to any non-alpha skills unless they go Omega.
Given they would make more SP spending the equivalent PLEX/$$$ on staying Omega, this is of dubious value other than perhaps the marginal increased utility of having a large pool of unallocated SP you can dump into a skill at some future time on a moments notice.
Since there is no mention of it, I would assume it isnât going to be there. But yes, they could prohibit injection of alpha injectors by alphas with 20M SP or more if this becomes an issue.
I would. The difference is the 500K SP (actually 400K or 300K for most using it) is in addition to training. I still get 500K SP from training as an Omega for those 10 days⌠PLUS I get 400K or 300K from the injector. The Alpha injector is used because alpha training is stopped. Itâs a substitute for a day of training⌠not for a skill injector. I wouldnât buy it if I were an alpha at 5m SP⌠but if I were an alpha at 5m SP Iâm buying NO INJECTORS at the moment⌠because Iâm at the cap.
You donât buy a skill injector to replace a day of training. You buy it to speed up training. Alpha injectors donât speed up training⌠they replace a day of regular training.
Perhaps they need to not allow the use of alpha injectors euntil an account hasnât been alpha status for 24 hours. Itâs a minor boost⌠but it is an exploitable gap. Good catch.
I donât think most of CCP even bothers to read the forums, regardless of whether itâs their feature or not. Itâs important enough though to probably mention @Steve_Ronuken or someone else on the CSM, if any of them bothered to be active.
