That was answer to your very question:
you have to be trolling
fighters can shoot what is ECMing them
read what I said again
the widow is not effected by this change unless ECM burst is being effected the same way as normal ECM Mods if anything this will improve the widow as people will stop using it as a falcon
wait until were are â â â â â â then go about it.
the problem people are having is ccp announced they are nerfing ECM admitted it would need a buff to compensate but told us that would come later. any other company we could trust with this but not CCP
the other problem is ECM is not an OP E-war just a phycological one. With this change you donât actually fix the most frustrating parts of it. this is nothing but a half thought out band aid that solves nothing but hurts half the people ccp has stated currently suffer from ECM.
actual problems this change does not solve
ECM drones
cloaky falcon used to run away
mass swarms of ECM
What this change does do
remove the role of ECM ships in small fleets and encourages the use of ECM drones even further
what we will still have
people ragging on both sides of ECM in equal if not greater number
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Full drone loving quote âŚplz
oh? did you spontaneously combust when he warped away? pod too?
you came to fight. you did.
he didnât come to fight. he ran.
the closest you could call this is a DRAW.
now, if you had fit sebo w/eccm script, mayb YOU WIN the fight you wanted to pick. would that mean that sebo is an âI winâ button?
no⌠he won you lost.
your goal fight
his goal run
he needs one successful hit to win. That is not ballance
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there are already modifiers for hull type. larger ships have higher sensors larger drones have higher jam
ec drones need a nerf not love. atm the drones from a logistics wing alone can lock a player down and that is ignoring how many fleets just carry ec 3-600 as their primary drones
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⌠a single ec 300 has over a 10% chance to jam a frigate with max sensor skills.
YOU reread what you said^^
HORNET ec-300âs have 1 point of jam strength. skills do not effect this. skills DO effect the target ships sensor strength. an all 5âs atron has 9.6 base sensor strength. condor 10.8. tormentor 10.8. rifter 9.6.
any other frig with all 5âs has a less than 10% chance of being jammed, per ec-300. minmatar struggle more, as their race is known for speed and ductape, not sensor strength. a max skilled Tristan has 16 sensor strength. 1/16= 6.25% jam chance per ec 300.
ive not even bothered looking into t2 frigs; suffice to say, they will perform better than their t1 counterparts vs ecm drones.
you should really ponder the definitions of âwinningâ and âlosingâ.
you Lost a Kill, not the fight. by default, when the enemy flees; you have won the fight. when you die, you have lost a ship. your friends might still win the fight. âŚif you have any.
if you donât see it my way, thatâs ok, but arguing about this is pointless, as the proposed changes coming in October will have zero effect on the scenario you described. except you will be able to lock and shoot whichever drone successfully jams you.
pro-tip: if a vexor successfully jammed you because his ec300âs each have a 10% chance to jam you, your lucky he ran. had he dropped anything else, youd be Dead and really Would Have a LOSS on your hands.
âŚunless you intended to have your friends do all the killingâŚin which case he is Smart to have run. you arenât this dense. stubborn mayb, but if you want your base t1 frig stonger vs ecm drones fine. state the hull that you want to see have stronger sensor strength. you Might have a point; one which we could agree onâŚ
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youâre the one that needs to ponder wining or losing it seems a bit simplistic
you only win if you achieve your goal. if your goal was to remove someone from grid then yes them running is a win. If your goal is to kill them then their running is a loss.
no⌠if my goal was a fight to the death then my dying would have been a win not a loss. my goal was achieved
thank you for proving my point though you may want to train English up a level or two. you seem to be mistaking âaâ for âallâ
⌠this is exactly the problem as myself and many others have pointed out the proposed changes do nothing to solve actual issues with ECM. It still becomes just as frustrating in the most frustrating and common situations to be jammed and only manages to eliminate the less problematic scenarios
As you seem to be the only voice that I see coming from the CSM and CCP I have a few questions.
I remember reading from you that CCP is doing much of the ECM change do to the fact they lack the resources to change up the mechanic (sorry if this doesnât flow well. If I misunderstood please correct me).
CCP as we all know has a history of starting something and then not finishing (or taking a long time to do so.). Now we also know that CCP has said they will establish a team that focuses on balancing the game.
One: has that team been created?
Two: do those team members also work in other teams?
Three: is the lack of resources based on the ability to get humans who can read and understand the spaghetti hentai monster that EVE code is or something else?
I know I have been one to advocate CCP stepping back and rewriting/coding the game to 1) bring it up to date; 2) add comments to the code lines so the F1 monkeys who come to CCP later can understand what the heck the guy before them did and why; 3) most of the crap players have delt with has gone on for years, so waiting on CCP to rebuild/code/structure or whatever would just be a drop in the bucket on the time scale compared to the time needed to really address the issues vs band aiding. ECM from what I know has been this way for 15+ years. Why waste time band aiding it instead of using that time to fix the bigger issues - the core code. 
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no, your goal was to KILL. being jammed happens sometimes in a fight. if you wanted a âfightâ, you technically got it. you just didnât get the kill you wanted. sorry about that 
if his goal is to ârunâ he doesnât need to jam you to do it, as a simple alignment could qualify as ârunningâ. activating an ab could qualify as ârunningâ.
his ship may still die if thatâs all he does but thatâs his decision. he needs one successful hit to ESCAPE. when his odds are based largely on your choice of ship and whether you bring a sebo, and NOT the inherent strength of a flight of ec300âs (cuz even 5x they actually suck vs 95% of things) mayb the problem was YOU and not him? its a vexor. you mustve been in a pretty â â â â ship. you should be glad he dropped ec300âs and not hobs or warriors. you would be minced.
do schools teach vocabulary anymore?
btw, an all 5âs atron with t2 sebo gets 14.2 sensor strength. thatâs a 7% jam chance per drone per cycle. eccm script makes that 18.8; 5% chance per drone per cycle. so a single module EASILY fitted (even on a frig), with Minimal capacitor requirements, can literally Halve your chances of being jammed. I call that balanced. if you disagree, perhaps we can lobby ccp to bump the eccm script a little bit. id be ok with that. 5-10% mayb. nothing more is necessary imo.
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no. it doesnât even do that.
I donât know how I can answer any of these questions without potentially breaking the NDA, so I will leave your questions to a Dev to respond to.
This is a common refrain, and it presupposes that there arenât different groups of people working on different things at the same time.
please donât go that route.
Same here (near perfect ECM)
but if this âfixâ goes into effect I fully intend to open a support ticket for that kind of changes and ask for skill point reimbursment on all ECM related skills.
If enough ppl do complain via support ticket system, maybe that will get devs attention, because now we only have CSM speechpiece trying to convince majority of ppl that his vision of ECM is better, while majority says otherwise.
@Brisc_Rubal I voted for you, and you(and rest of CSM for that matter) should have put your ECM âproposalâ on that list for all to see.
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Thank you. I forgot to mention if you are able to within the grounds of NDA.
Best of luck.
What majority? Itâs the same ten people posting over and over.
I appreciate the vote, and Iâm sorry that you disagree that this fix is better for the game than the status quo.
If you simply make fighters unable to shoot the ship jamming them, It would make ECM still have a purpose. Also if you halved the cycle time and Cap use and made it always break the target.
Lol. I know that feeling. Thing I would like to know, as I havenât played in awhile, how much of them info has been shared inside the game to players. While I played I knew a lot of people (some might call them sheeple) that never got on the forums (that would say because they donât like to read the same 10 people over and over).
But I am curious to know what more people would think. Perhaps CCP could post a survey and get feed back. They used to do that and I think those did a much better job at getting more voices heard on topics.
your right only the people posting are against it
okay what parts of ECM do you actually see this fixing and what do you see this change hurting?
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Ever heard of silent majority?
In general most people wonât post about something since they are happy with the current state.
Most people never posted about ECM being unbalanced or OP.
Logic dictates: Most people donât consided ECM unbalanced or OP.
That you canât understand people now complaining about the change speaks volumes.
And before you want to turn it around: Most people wonât write here now against the change, since most people wonât read the devblog and wouldnât yet know what a major â â â â â â â â change the CSM wanted CCP to do.
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