the only people rooting for these changes are doing so quietly; they know why
well, and the few goons/csm who either didn’t get the memo or think the rest of us are stupid bc we don’t play(work) for them
Then there should be no reason to take the nullification from combat ceptors at all… to take it from all ceptors should be out of question.
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I think the issue’s deeper than that. When the AFs were changed (ie: the ADC added), that happened in an environment where Interceptors had bubble immunity. If the bubble immunity hadn’t been added 4 years ago, would AFs have gotten the ADC? Maybe not.
So the problem here isn’t ‘this change’ or ‘that change’, but CCP’s entire approach to the changes. They want to ‘twist some knobs’ here and there, and they look at each change in isolation within the context of the game as it exists at that moment. And then they change something else down the line in the context of the game as it exists in that moment.
And they don’t consider ‘how does this change affect the landscape that prompted that change?’
They don’t have a clear vision of how all the pieces fit together. It’s like they’re trying to put together a puzzle, but they don’t know what the picture looks like… and they’re making the pieces with a band-saw as they go. It’s a recipe for consistent, repeated tripping over themselves.
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on all of this I can agree. and for the record, im not here to flame goons or anyone else for that matter. just to point out what I believe Should b obvious to everyone; who wins with this patch. whereas its apparent by the dev blog which ships ‘lose’ in this trash-patch.
EDIT:: I take it back, im def here to flame Brisc_rubal, only because it was earned
Brisc’s just explaining things the way he sees them. He’s not gonna be right on everything, and he knows it. But he is here, and he is listening to the responses he’s getting.
Before you decide to flame him, ask yourself where all the other CSMs are. @Steve_Ronuken dipped out pretty quick. Did any of the others even poke their noses in to talk about this stuff?
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I suppose jamming will be close to useless on many cases after patch. It will be definitelly worst electronic warfare - small chance to work and easy to counter (just shoot defenseless jammer or use scripted sensor booster if logistic).
ECM burst giving chance to escape will be guaranteed to not work now, as everyone jammed will still have lock on you.
ECM on citadels will be completly useless as everyone will still be able to shoot citadel.
The ECM burst won’t have that effect, only targeted ECM. That was said up-thread.
And yes, it should have been in the FAQ in the dev blog. That, too, was said up-thread.
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Jamming out multiple logi ships will still be viable but for structures being attacked by small gangs that are close to or under the damage cap, ECM will become useless as part of an active defence.
among a great many other things. drones, dessies, anything with the right number of sebos’s really
read thru his contribution to this thread before you defend him. I can wait for apology
and to complete the sentence, the reason its in the thread and not in the patch notes is because this was horribly thought through. it at all.
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Considering 80% of the CSM has spent the past 2 years investing trillions into supercapital fleets I look forward to seeing the fruits of the detailed feedback they’ve given on capital balance. If I had to guess I’d say CCP takes 3 months to come up with a proposal, publishes a dev blog, then shelves everything again when the response from the broader community is (surprise) not in tune with the feedback the CSM gave. But I’ll gladly be proven wrong.
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Is not because they are on the same CSM or coalition that they share the same opinion… Suitonia, Killah Bee, Sort Dragon, Jin’taan, Steve…
I’m still here and watching.
Not much new material showing up though, so I’d just be repeating myself
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I have. As he made most of them. I stand by my statements.
citadels are already a joke. scram timers. lol.
jams that don’t jam will b the cherry on top of the bait and switch that we can call ‘cits in eve’
its as if the guy coming up with these changes only imagined 2 scenarios involving ecm. 1 where a person is perma jammed but really really Really WANTS to be able to Shoot Back @ the jammer, enter reason here. or 2 where a person really really Really wants to shut down the opposing fleets logi. and if the logi puts ecm drones in return and scores a lucky jam, they want to be able to lock and kill the ecm drones, and then resume jamming enemy logi.
@Ralyn_Longs At least in lowsec I feel that it will significantly increase the use of it. With the somewhat bad tracking it has, and without that 3rd midslot, the only way it could to well is if it was capable of neuting out the target, if the target was a scram kite tormentor, the damavik would have a hard time actually killing it. Now with the 3rd mid, it can reduce transversal on targets like that so it can track. The only drawback I really see is that the Damavik will have to sacrifice a dps or tank mod in the lows.
I sit, while I wait. personal preference I guess.
…im not waiting anymore. just looked at who im talking to. your not a person id expect to disagree with brisc. take it as you will. ill pay closer attention to who im ignoring next time. 
They dont do dread DPS. To get even close they have to spool.
what does this mean for people who us the deep space transports the burst jammer is your main life line followed by the jump drive to try and save u I mean we can all be bad and run max warp core stabs in the bottom but then the only viable deep space transport will be the impel none of the others will be of any use
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