Devblog: Final Statement Brisc Rubal Follow Up Investigation

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CCP took full responsibility for the poor handling, and did not mince words when apologizing for it. It was exactly what was promised. A full and frank apology.

Yes, it was handled poorly, but owning up to the problem is a very good first step in seeing it doesn’t happen again. I wouldn’t say my confidence in them was 100% of what it was before this fiasco, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and let them earn it again.

The parties that would have been harmed have chosen to set things aside as they stand. That any wrong doing occurred that may affect any of us is purely speculative and based on reactions to imagined circumstances.

I would not mind some statement regarding what they’d do differently, but I think we can imagine what the primary changes are. The mistakes here are glaringly obvious to us now.

I want Brisc to go back to playing Eve. I want CCP to go back to developing for Eve. Enough time has been spent on this.

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There is no such thing as 100%, 100% is a tunnel visioned approach and was the wrong approach, if you poke at a theory long enough you will find holes always, that is why it was eventually changed to innocent because the evidence they had in the first place was flawed.

CCP apologized so get over it, the only conspiracy would be with the people who tipped CCP off, CCP are a professional gaming company and doing back hand shady deals would only hurt their reputation, no way in hell would they risk it.

You say you would sue if you where Brisc even after they apologized only shows your lack of understanding and your lack of any thought what so ever.

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This. THIS RIGHT HERE.

I don’t even know any of the folks involved, but I know how much CCP’s knee-jerk reaction makes me wonder “who else got wrongly ban-hammered like this over the years that we’ve never heard about?”

I commend CCP for coming clean publicly about being wrong. It mitigates the damage to their credibility, but does not by any means erase it. The question of “who’s next” will always linger, especially if it continues to appear that all that’s required for the ban-hammer to start swinging is for someone to make false allegations.

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They don’t though, that’s the issue. Their statement leaves way more questions than answers.

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Just want to say, CCP gets some respect back for falling on their sword here.

Not as much respect as they lost by jumping the gun under unconfirmed information, or by the way they handled publicly shaming the individuals involved. But some.

This only highlights that CCP needs to re-work not only the way the CSM works, but the way they communicate with the player base and also how they evaluate what changes are needed for the game and how players will react to those changes. This is a critical design process and CCP has been winging it (and getting it wrong), too often for too many years.

Oh, and maybe some free handi-wipes are in order, so all the “CCP would never make a mistake on something like this!” posters from the first two threads have something to wipe the brown off their noses with.

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It requires a lot of honesty and nobleness to assume mistakes in public like this. This all thing was very exciting, specially by all the actors involved. I am glad at the end, by the CCP honorable attitude, everyone wins, including the “outside viewers” watching the situation just like me. I love these CCP novels when they come out. Anyways, I know this was a serious one, so, congratulations to everyone involved for having things settled and resolved.

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Here’s two things that help avoid these situations:

  1. No knee-jerk reactions (the Jussie Smollett case should have shown people that)
  2. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. When you have this mindset, you don’t go into a situation all gung-ho, it helps you take a step back and say “Do we have enough evidence to prove this person is guilty?” Then, you don’t accidentally punish innocent people because you don’t take actions until you are sure.
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Hey Brisc, welcome back!

I hope you will still play and will be active on the forums. (Thanks for not feeding the trolls btw)

I think “some lessons” were learned from this mess.

I also know you must be still a little miffed and I don’t blame you. But there might be a little bit of a silver lining. You are now in a unique position to help the CSM that this all seem to have started with.

Everyone seems to agree that the CSM is broken. Some good points were made on why to fix it rather than abandon it. I would ask you to at some point in the future to post your opinions on how to make the CSM better.

(I’m trying to get out of this game and your trying to get back in? What’s wrong with you!:grin:)

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CCP , we love you but in this aspect you need some kind of culture change.

  1. The award for most trigger happy goes to …
  2. Will there be a monument in Jita - Brisc Rubal cleared of allegations. I imagine a statue where CCP throws (Vercingetorix) unfit their highslots and drones infront of Brisc ( Julius Ceasar )
  3. Someone’s job or some players account should be hanging by the threads right now
  4. despite the attitude in this post, I am glad CCP did the right thing, it may be hard to acknowlege when you are wrong, when you have painted yourself into a corner.
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CCP, I am happy to see you correct yourself , but also the initial actions taken we on good intentions. Your honesty and integrity has a lot do with why EVE is still up, running, and updating.

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ftfy :joy:

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I’m mostly curious as to the integrity of the CSM after this, rather than of CCP. This was stated as being originally due to the suspicion’s the other CSM members. If it was enough to get three people permabanned and one kicked off the CSM, what exactly were those false accusations, and who made them?

Also, in future, if you need to ban someone until you can prove if they’re guilty or not in order to prevent damage, you should start with a temp ban. It’s really that simple.

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NC. and Pandemic made them, its public knowledge now. CSM did nothing wrong so I don’t see how the integrity was shaken. It’s just a bunch of over reaction’s.

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It was stated as being due to the CSM coming to CCP with the matter. That’s not necessarily the same as ‘suspicions’. Beyond that… nobody who wasn’t involved has a ‘right’ to know, and it’s not even really anyone’s business. That said, people are gonna keep looking for places to use their torches and pitchforks if they don’t know what happened, so…

Rough Summary

What we think we know, from discord and other logs, is that the root cause of all of this is Dark Shines selling his Molok to another member of the Initiative. That member then left for Snuffed Out, where he sold the Molok to a fellow named penifSMASH.

For a bit of background, penif is known to be the kind of guy who likes to stir up chaos, cause trouble, and generally be a colossal dick about things, and he’s not above screwing over people who think he’s their friend to do it. So, once penif has the Molok, he goes and tells Killah Bee about all of this, and casts it as suspicious that Shines would sell off a faction titan. He then speculates that maybe he had inside info on the upcoming capitals changes.

Now, I said we think we know all this because of logs. At this point, I think it’s important to point out: these logs are NOT CSM LEAKS. My understanding is that they are logs of penif and people he told about what he’d done. And this has all been confirmed by his alliance executor, on this past weekend’s Meta Show (which Brisc mentioned).

A few things to keep in mind here, though. First: we’ve all known Faxes were on the chopping block, which reduces any titan’s life expectancy, especially one that’s been dropped half a dozen times already by people eager to kill it. Second: Shines had been trying to sell that Molok since before the New Year. It’s just, you know, expensive, so it’s hard to move. (Scuttlebutt is he wanted to buy a Komodo.) Third, and just as importantly: If any member of the CSM receives allegations of this sort, they are required to notify CCP.

That’s significant, because as people start to call for ‘well who’s the CSM who started this?!? BAN THEM!!’… the CSM who started this had no choice. The rules covering the CSM required him to step forward, which is why CCP said the CSM “acted responsibly throughout”.

So what you have is a player being a dick—which is not an offense—and the CSM doing what it’s supposed to do.

CCP was too hasty, and they’ve copped to it. So at this point, honestly, just let it go.

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Except we have no evidence the Molok issue was a concern. Brisc won’t confirm that, CCP won’t confirm, the CSM won’t confirm it. So if that’s all there was, then why won’t they confirm it? People are talking about it already, yet Brisc insists that there is some secret that he can’t tell us. Where’s that joint statement from the CSM that we were promised? Furthermore, why would they ban Brisc over a single ship sale? If it’s true, it does sound like CCP made a mistake… but the thing is, CCP hasn’t stated this was the issue. If they did, I’d conclude that Brisc didn’t do anything wrong, or at least not serious enough to warrant a ban - but they haven’t, and that’s where one starts to wonder what else happened.

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Thank you! I’ll take that as ‘maybe not the officially confirmed story, but sounds about exactly like the sort of event chain I had pictured when I first heard about this’.

Personally not all that interested in the specifics, but definitely interested that CCP realizes the people who pay all their bills and salaries are not sheep, not stupid, can recognize when a situation smells like 5-day old fish, and won’t just sit back and take ‘CCP knows best’ as an answer.

Forums and player opinions are all over the place, as usual: “He looks guilty, hang him! I never liked him, HANG HIM! He’s a CSM, hang him!” as well as the “CCP won’t make mistakes/CCP always makes mistakes” arguments and the “These people would never ever do this” (which actually were the correct ones) replies. So while experience says ‘you can’t let the forums be the judge’, we’ve also learned that sometimes ‘the wisdom of the crowd’ kicks in and when hundreds of people log in to say this needs exposure… that maybe it really does.

Anyways, another exciting page in the ongoing drama of EVE, time to get back to killing space-perps!

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Pando and Dark Shines have confirmed it was the Molok. They said this on Open Comms Friday night.

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Yep, but you haven’t, have you? Neither has CCP.

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That sound you are all hearing is this guy moving the goalposts yet again.

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Even now, you won’t say it was the Molok. In fact, just last night, you assured me that you could not breath one word about the reason, because it would be an NDA violation. Clearly, there must be something more to the story.