I’m glad you finally added an entertainment section to the Eve Launcher! 
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I imagine that, if he handles it well, he should be in a strong position for re-election.
By the way, think about this:
- False accusations are made of a conspiracy and a person’s character is accordingly assassinated.
- An investigation ensues.
- Said investigation reveals that the powers that be (and their nameless informants) went all-in on the conspiracy theory.
- Everyone has egg on their face.
- Person whose character was assassinated is probably now in a much stronger position for re-election.
Remind you of anything?
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He’s not running next year and I can’t blame him. About the rest…
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Then why won’t you, or CCP, tell us what the initial allegation was? Any comments at all? I just find it really hard to believe there was no substance whatsoever, even though CCP now says there was no substance, nothing to see here, move along…
They just banned you for NO reason? Are they really that stupid and incompetent? Maybe they are, maybe CCP is run by utter morons, but the most likely explanation is where there’s smoke there’s fire. The fact that nobody will even acknowledge the smoke that was so apparent last week, suggests that we aren’t getting the full story. Why is that? My instinct could be wrong, you could just be poor innocent Brisc, but CCP still had a specific reason they banned you - and the reason why is clearly being suppressed.
How does CCP go from 100% certainty that you are guilty, to 100% certainty that you are innocent? How does that happen? I’m inclined to believe CCP calculated there was risk of a lawsuit going awry. Violating an NDA is serious ethical misconduct. Could they prove their case in court? You didn’t need to explicitly threaten a lawsuit. Indeed, as a lawyer, I think you know exactly what I’m saying.
If I were innocent, and felt my name was impugned, and CCP did me wrong - I’d demand they release all the information they had to reach their conclusion, so that I could show how wrong they are. If CCP did that to me, and they were in the wrong, you bet I’d sue. On the other hand, if I wasn’t innocent, but I still had a viable defense, I’d want to settle out of court, quietly, move on and not talk about it - just like you are doing.
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This is why they have an age requirement for being eligible to run for CSM.
Regards,
Cypr3ss.
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welcome back @Brisc_Rubal
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An NDA violation is grounds for debarment of a lawyer. It’s a very serious ethical violation. I’m sure a mature adult would refrain from suing CCP, and just let an anonymous GM decide guilt, but an immature kid like me would definitely sue. The only reason I can imagine not suing, is because there’s some truth to the allegation.
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how about @The_judge retract his statement that goes like this:
CCP never act without being absolutely certain when it comes to something with this much meaning to the community.
Apparently you were pretty sure that CCP didn’t screw up, so where is your apology and retractment for this statement against Brisc?
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They told you what it was - there was an allegation that I leaked NDA material to two other players, one of whom was accused of using the info to make isk in the game.
Because it wasn’t true.
You’re assuming a lot of things in this statement.
And that’s what a non-lawyer would say.
Every lawyer will tell you that any time you end up in court, it means the lawyers on both sides screwed up.
I don’t hate CCP, and I didn’t want to spend tens of thousands of dollars on litigation when I don’t have to. Fortunately, I didn’t have to do any of that, because they recognized they were wrong and took active steps to fix it. This is what responsible people and responsible companies do - they are willing to admit mistakes and apologize.
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I think what we’re getting at and you and CCP isn’t telling us is that what that ‘leaked’ information was, from being NDA material into a non-NDA material (with actual said items/ISKs being confiscated). The magnitude (profile) of the ban and the shitstorm it brought to the Eve in and out of game, now both parties just tell everyone to carry on, forget about it, nothing exciting to see here. Can’t blame the average players from speculating since now both parties seemed just want to keep it inside the black box.
And that’s why ppl speculate there were threats of lawsuit and private settlement outside of court, cause neither side want to screw up by ending in court
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Exactly my point Brisc. You are (apparently) a lawyer, and perhaps CCP decided to avoid a formal legal dispute about whether or not you violated the NDA. I find it very hard to believe that you would have accepted the allegation of an NDA breech, without a rigorous legal defense, making your claim that you didn’t threaten a lawsuit rather dishonest. We both know this could be grounds for disbarment. Would you be ok with that?
As a lawyer, of course, I’m sure you know that “unsubstantiated” is a legal term implying that the evidence is not sufficient for a judicial verdict, but it does not imply “no evidence”. CCP’s decision doesn’t mean you didn’t commit the act, and apparently there was some evidence you did. Something made them concerned enough to ban you. They can now say you didn’t do it, but are they only doing this because they are afraid of a lawsuit?
I think if you were truly innocent, you would want to know more about what happened, and would want the details to be made public, so that people such as myself might understand how truly innocent you are. If I were unfairly banned, I would not be satisfied by a mere reversal of the decision. I would expect CCP to explain line by line how wrong they were, clearly elucidating each detail and step of their mistake.
Once again, the only reason you would not want such ‘evidence’ to be made public, is because it suggests that you did something wrong.
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The allegation wasn’t true - I said that when this stuff first happened, and CCP has confirmed it in their subsequent statements. Knowing the exact specifics of the allegation is pointless because it wasn’t true. That being said, if you want to know more details, go watch today’s Meta Show.
And that speculation is, as I already noted, wrong. There were no threats of lawsuits. CCP recognized they made a mistake and it was resolved.
I know some folks are desperate for more drama, but there is none. A mistake was made, it was rectified.
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It’s completely normal to not care why you were banned.
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Would prefer these info come from official game news channel, the lack of transparency from official CCP (since they made it public in the first place) only divides the player base further, as players (especially paying ones) would not stop thinking that devs are giving edges and advantages to certain groups in game at the cost of the remaining players’ trust.
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You can look up my name on the Virginia State Bar website and learn that I’m active and in good standing.
Obviously I didn’t accept the allegation, because I worked with CCP to get my name cleared. They have since done that. That’s the outcome I would have gotten at the end of litigation, so why would I waste years of my life and large amounts of money to sue when I didn’t need to? Again, this is the way people who have never had to deal with these kinds of things think.
You’re ignoring what they actually said: “Neither Brisc Rubal nor the other players implicated in this incident breached CCP’s confidentiality, the terms of the Non-Disclosure Agreement, or used privileged information to obtain an in-game advantage.” Those were the allegations, this is a categorical statement saying the allegations were not true.
There is no way to make things clearer than that.
You are not me. I am satisfied that the apology and the statements that have been made fully exonerate me, and I want to put this behind me, play EVE and forget this ever happened.
CCP has flat out said that I did not do what I was accused of. Your whole “put out the whole evidence” nonsense is just that - nonsense. And I’m not going to waste any more time trying to convince you, because you can’t even admit I’m actually a lawyer, lol.
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Does CCP have credibility in this matter? If the ban was unjustified, they lost credibility with the way they handled it. If the ban was justified, they lost credibility with the way they handled it. Unfortunately, CCP is no longer credible in this matter. We don’t know why they banned you, but we do know that an NDA breech is a serious ethical violation.
You are not acting the way someone would act if they were innocent.
I believe you did something to trigger the initial ban. You don’t want CCP to talk about it, and if they do they will get sued. Apparently, they don’t want to go to court, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t an underlying reason to ban you. The only thing that would clear the air is for a release of specific details regarding the nature of the allegation, which you yourself don’t want. That says everything to me.
An innocent person would want to know WHY this happened. They would want others to understand what happened.
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Of course I am. I denied it, continued denying it, and have since been exonerated by them. That’s what happens when you’re innocent.
You keep thinking this whole thing was about the ban - the ban doesn’t matter to me, and it never did. This was about my reputation. I was accused of something that didn’t happen. CCP has since confirmed they were wrong, and what I was accused of didn’t happen, and they apologized for the accusation and confirmed it didn’t happen.
That was the absolute best outcome I could have hoped for, no matter what steps I could have taken.
I know why it happened. And I know that it was a mistake. Why do you keep acting like I don’t know why it happened?
I do want others to understand what happened, and they do. It’s literally all in their final statement on the matter. They made a mistake. That’s what happened.
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It’s not looking so good right now. Sorry.
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The process that initiated the ban /checks and balances / is obviously flawed or gross human error was at fault
would be nice if some progress in This area was made so all this effort in this specific case etc was not in vain and players could be assured that bans (especially affecting elected reps) was far more rigorous .
review options ,disclosure ,i know CCP have indicated vaguely that this is being looked at . But to what degree is your invested time ,enjoyment of a great game at risk of arbitrary banning without recourse .
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And this contradicts with the original announcement which CCP since had deleted, the quoted statements tells nothing and is far from “clear”, rather murkier than muddy water, instead of making it clear, it’s more like pouring more substances to make it more murky (cover up?)
CCP and you can put this behind as if this never happened, at the cost of bleeding customers who no longer trust the company as well as potential new customers. Hellmar could boast how much new players visited Eve each month like he did in recent interview, but no way they can boast about the retention rate of paying customers. And it only seemed more like if anyone want to be truly successful at this game, the only niche needed is to join the elites club to get different treatments.
There is no butterfly effect in Eve (anymore), but the one for this incident has yet to carry out its full extent.
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