I literally just said that.
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No, Brisc, you literally did not. You are only spreading hearsay and rumors, but you havenāt gone on the record with any specific information. Neither has CCP. Facts are stubborn things.
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I am not spreading anything. You are insinuating, yet again, that there is more to this story than was already out there. Shines and Pando have confirmed what happened - they can do that, as they arenāt under an NDA and they have first hand knowledge. I am under an NDA and canāt speak about what CCP and I discussed. You refuse to accept that and continue your desperate attempts to smear me.
Stop.
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Brisc - You are not Pando. You are not Shines. They do not know why YOU were banned. Only you and CCP really know what happened.
CCP has already said why I was banned. They believed I had shared NDA material with Pando and Shines. I donāt understand why you keep asking the same questions that were answered literally on the first day and acting like thatās not being responsive.
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And youāre not going to get it. CCP doesnāt release information like that. The CSM canāt, because doing so would violate NDA.
So, āwhy wonāt they confirm it?ā: They signed a legal contract that says they wonāt.
So, once more for the cheap seats:
Brisc Rubal is under NDA. He cannot tell you anything about why he was banned that CCP didnāt tell you, for another five years. Asking him to violate that NDA will not get you anywhere.
Iām sorry Brisc, thereās nothing in the CCP release about a Molok. Thatās something Pando and Shines said, but itās not mentioned in the CCP statement, nor in your statement.
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I canāt even.
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Literally. Because NDA.
I believe you Brisc. I believe you signed an agreement not to discuss this. I believe CCP signed an agreement not to discuss this. Then they created this thread for us to discuss it, and the only thing I have to discuss is WHY neither you nor CCP wants to discuss this. Cuz if its just the Molok, I agree Brisc, doesnāt sound like a reason for a permanent ban. So why did they give you a permanent ban in the first place? Why didnāt they mention the Molok in any of their CCP statements? Maybe they made a mistake, or maybe they didnāt. Nobody knows, because nobody actually knows why you were banned.
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ā¦and people wonder why CSM members can burn out so quickly.
Why engage, Brisc? Let the people who legally can have their say and you go have a cold one.
Missing the fun of the CSM and dealing with the rest of the player population, yet?
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Then why are you asking him to break that NDA?
He is not allowed to tell you anything CCP did not. All he can do is continue to point you at the CCP statement. So why do you keep asking if you know he cannot tell you?
I should stop having a glass of wine before bed.
And no, Iām not missing any of it.
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I keep asking, because he keeps coming here and saying things like āSomeone else said I was banned for this reasonā¦ā Who is that someone else? If itās not an official statement from CCP, or from Brisc, its just speculation. Why are we speculating about whether it was the Molok, when CCP or Brisc could say that it was the Molok. Maybe it wasnāt the Molok, maybe it was. Why are we speculating?
Hereās a draft statement CCP could use, āWe thought Brisc told someone something about a Molok, and then they sold it. We were wrong. Our bad.ā If CCP wrote that, Iād be like oh ok. I canāt imagine what the harm would be in stating that, if thatās what happened. However, since Brisc and CCP arenāt actually saying that, and Brisc is literally saying he canāt say that, I wonder if maybe thereās another reason.
Meanwhile, this whole Molok story casts blame on a third party who (as far as I know) hasnāt made any kind of statement. So I should just assume that person was at fault? I mean, talk about rumor-mongeringā¦ Now, maybe itās all true. Itās certainly plausible. All Iām saying is that we donāt actually have a statement from either Brisc or CCP which confirms this rumor. If I were Brisc, Iād want them to confirm the Molok narrative, because it doesnāt sound so bad. However, they havenāt, and neither has he.
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Except CCP is not going to say that. CCP does not release information on player offenses. Full stop. They donāt do it. So Brisc canāt do it. Which means ā[Person X says it was Y]ā is literally the closest he can come to telling you. It is a construction that allows him to point you to the accurate information without actually violating the NDA himself, because heās not telling you, and heās not confirming whatās being said, heās just pointing out what someone else āsaysā.
I mean, holy hell, how are you this dense? It is literally āSo, Iām not allowed to tell you what I saw, but Bob says he saw X.ā
The harm would be that it would set a precedent of CCP revealing information about player offenses. No MMO company will tell you that. Just like CCP should not have said anything about what they thought he did. That was as much of a mistake as leaping to judgment.
Well, then youāre gonna keep wondering. Iāve listed up above what happened. CCP isnāt going to give you any information. Nobody on the CSM is allowed to. So thatās all youāre going to get. It doesnāt matter how many times you say ābut what REALLY happened?ā, youāre not going to get any new information, because CCP wonāt say, the CSM canāt say, and youāve already heard what really happened. And if this is starting to feel circular and repetitiveā¦ it is. And itās gonna stay that way. So you go ahead and decide how many times you want to get told the same thing, and weāll do the countdown on that, because Iāll just prep a boilerplate reponse and C&P it every single time.
Go watch the VoD of this past weekās meta show on INNās twitch channel. Hy Wanto, penifās alliance exec, confirms it all. There are logs out there from penif. Theyāre probably on /r/eve. Go do your own due diligence if you donāt believe it.
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Did penif confirm it? Iām not going to assume this third party guy is at fault, based on the speculative rumor-mongering going on here. That wouldnāt be fair to penif, would it?
CCP should probably comment on this, and clarify to everyone what happened. I donāt think they are going to, and consequently there will always be speculation as to whether the Molok was even a concern.
I donāt know. I donāt know this penif guy, so unless I hear from him, Iām gonna assume he is innocent of the allegations against him. If this is starting to feel circular to you, well, thatās because itās going to stay that way. Thatās why this discussion thread serves no purpose, you are speculating that penif is the villian of this story, and Iām speculating that maybe you donāt know what you are talking about.
Everytime you say penif is at fault, Iām going to say āWell, how come neither penif nor CCP has made a statement to confirm that narrative?ā
CCP is not going to confirm or deny anything. CCP is not going to release information on player offenses. CCP does not release information on player offenses.
The logs are penif telling people. So go do your due diligence. Iām not speculating on anything. You want to know? Go do the legwork yourself, like the rest of us did.
Logs? I donāt have access to CCPās server files. I canāt tell if a log is real or fake, or who made it. The only verifiable information would be from either CCP or penif, so unless I hear from one of them that penif is at fault, I am going to assume that he is innocent. You are simply spreading rumors against the good name of penif.
And you are simply being willfully dense. Go re-read my original statement about āwhat happenedā. See what kind of logs they were. These are not rumors. But you go ahead and keep on grasping at straws to gin up more nonsense.
Yep, I read what you said. Penif is a ācolossal dickā and he is to blame. You sound like a very credible objective source of information. The magic logs, that even you canāt link, will surely prove that you are correct.