Devblog: Skills On Demand - Changes Coming To The Skill System!

/sigh

I keep saying the internet needs a sarcasm font. No, not comic sans

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It would be really funny if he actually did get his house checked for lead paint.

@CCP_Affinity I have to wonder what is the limit of the skill books you can purchase through the skillsheet?

Is it just the core skills to a certain level or all but the rare skills?

Core Skills (as I see it):

  • Spaceship Command skills (limited to character Race and T1)
  • Navigation skills
  • Engineering skills
  • Armor Skills or Shield Skills (depending on character Race)
  • Gunnery/Missiles/Drone skills sets (limited to character Race and T1)

excluding the following;

  • Ship Specialisation skills
  • Advanced Upgrade skills sets
  • Emission System Skills
  • Capital ship skill sets
  • Jump Skill sets
  • All Specialisation skills

As you can see this wouldn’t limit noobe players, and won’t stop low/nul-sec skill traders. But it limits players to the core skills, all other skills should require the risk of travelling to stations to collect and injection, as by the stage players have passed the core skills training they should have enough knowledge of EVE to know what they are doing.

As a closing note I would also suggest the character skill sheet purchases are limited to high-sec only, if a noobe enters low/nul-sec they should know what they’re doing or have support of a corp behind them, so as I see it they are no longer classed as a noobe, but an experienced player and should be treated as such.

You can hand hold players if they decide to go into area where they have been warned of the danger and accepted it.

Just my thoughts.

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More dumbing down of the game makes me a sad panda :cry:

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As a designer, I can tell you with out a doubt “its not that simple”.

We take your advice into consideration, we do not however do what you want us to do. Its a position you and others like you need to learn.

We view many moving parts of a game. Its our job to keep your happiness at heart ,however, that does not mean that we have to agree with your positions or change the game in ways “you think is best”

(as a player speaking in defense of ccp)
There have been many changes to this game that players have not wanted, have gotten upset over, or have not liked. Most of them have been for the betterment of the game.

Changes to bring down the skills to make higher end ships more accessible is better for eve, however, they need to be changed in ways that prevents those ships from being used other then their purpose (for example, by removing capitals and super caps from ratting capability).

Just keep in mind, its hard to be a designer listening to you, doing what we think is best, and also having bosses tell us we have to make this much change with these amount of work hours, and this result for their pockets to be filled.

Its not as easy to make everyone happy (you and the bosses) as you think.

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Well, the best example that I have to answer that question is a direct effect this news has had on me. I have started liquidating all my skill book inventory from the space I live in. I am no longer making runs from Jita out to this space, which I would make on average of about every 2 days. I would transport an average of about 4 billion worth of books each time. I no longer am doing that, because I fear that the skill book market is going to go away with this change. Other players also seem to be liquidating their inventory from the markets I play in as well.

You are not wrong that these players will find other things to sell, as I have already started to invest in other products. I do however have an alt that I am training, and I had to fly multiple books out to him. If i didn’t have to fly to get those books, and any other books in the future, there will be no opportunity to kill me while I do that.

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that opportunity will still be there, because the majority of skillbooks will still only be available at stations and not through the sheet. which as someone mentioned you can already buy skills through the sheet, but you still have to fly to a station.

To change a quote from blizzard “do you all not have iTunes?” You are able to download music, or actual books right this very instant and have it available instead of having to go to books a million to pick it up or wait for it to arrive… So why can something like that not happen in a very futuristic galaxy?

I think a lot of you all are getting bent out of shape, and it would be better if CCP would come out and say which books they are considering “core skills”

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I’m not sure if even 100% markup will justify this change.

I think the changes make sense in that gathering skills has always been a bit of a hassle and if you had to buy skills in a pinch you got gouged by someone with the forethought to buy a needed skill and put it on the market.

I think that if you put this change into effect you should make the skills bought through the character sheet cost significantly more. Think of it as contacting the station, buying the skill, having it downloaded, uploading it at your station and paying the various fees and bribes along the way.

But why?

Convenience costs money.

Eve is a harsh mistress and should remain so, these QOL changes have taken some of the edge out of the game and while making Eve a bit easier in order to retain players is a smart thing, the harsh nature should be preserved where it can be.

Also. there are players who make a portion of their in-game income from selling skills to other players, they shouldn’t be unduly punished.

Of course core skills should have less mark-up but as skills go up in rank the “convenince charge” should be increased.

Yeah, they’ve already said the SoD will have a markup. It’s in the devblog.

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its like reading comprehension 101 needs to be trained on most of these pilots.

its like reading comprehension 101 needs to be trained on most of these pilots everyone on the forums

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The main problem with skills for me is a stockpile of books that nobody need.
Those given by career agents, for example.

its like reading comprehension 101 needs to be trained on most of these pilots everyone on the forums internet.

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its like reading comprehension 101 needs to be trained on most of these pilots everyone on the forums internet.

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Except you guys, of course. You guys can haughtily proclaim other people need to attain better reading comprehension, instead of any actual argumentation, refutation or contributing in the slightest to the discussion and remain confident in the knowledge that you’ve put everyone else on the internet in their place.

While obviously being entirely exempt, of course.

I’ve often wondered how it must feel to be superior to literally everyone you ever encounter, except those few “equals” that just happen to share your viewpoint on things being discussed.

The Joke





Your head

You know what? Not worth getting down in the mud w/you. Just gonna do what I should have the first time.

Sorry, Miz. One of us should probably try to be an adult here. You wanna focus all that on me instead of dealing with you, that’s your thing, man. You do you.